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I really wish they weren't doing away with 1password classic and the native mac app. I like the fact I bought a license, that I can store the data on dropbox or

I really wish they weren't doing away with 1password classic and the native mac app. I like the fact I bought a license, that I can store the data on dropbox or icloud, and it works just fine. Yes, this is old news and sour grapes on my part. I just don't yet feel like migrating to bitwarden. I've been using 1password for 12 years since I saw it on a tutorial on peepcode.com. I actually taught my mother how to use it, she's been using it for 9 years, and last weekend she was upgrading all her passwords to use 2fa with the QR code capturing facility. We had to go find the 1password classic browser extension (something stopped working, needed to reinstall it) and that took a bit of doing. 1password is not making it easy to find anymore, and when she contacted customer support (before talking to me), their response was to upgrade to a paid account and store your passwords on a server. Ugh. Honestly, now that they've raised this much cash, would it really be that big of an inconvenience or lift for them to give mac users a native app instead of the electron one and keep allowing legacy users like me to use 1password with our existing licenses and dropbox? I think they'd be able to hire some additional developers and product/project people to make it happen. Not continuing to work on the classic project just feels like a kick in the shins. Now, I'm building out my kubernetes cluster at home, and bitwarden is something I'm going to experiment with as a backup, but 1password 7 works fine and I just don't want to migrate to a paid account. C'mon 1password, make your legacy customers happy!

eric-hu 5y ago
Migrate to Bitwarden. I owned a 1 password 6 license and hung onto it for dear life until last year. I technically had a 1 password subscription from work, and when that ended last year, my password experience hit a brick wall. I couldn’t add passwords from Windows. My Mac client refused to work, I had to uninstall multiple times and delete a data directory to erase any sign that 1 password subscription was on the system. I’m so glad I made the switch now. No pestering pop ups, equally usable on windows and Mac and iOS.
- ilrwbwrkhv 5y ago
  Same made the switch to bitwarden this year.
  - pantulis 5y ago
    I went to Strongbox and never looked back. I have fond memories of 1Password and wish them luck. But I have felt forced by them to move to a subscription model and I cannot justify that.
- markdown 5y ago
  I did the same. On Bitwarden now.
rekoil 5y ago
I don't even mind the subscription fee and cloud hosting personally, just make a kickass native app like they always had and I'll stay. If they force me to "upgrade" to 8 and it's not a native app then I'll just use something else like bitwarden.
- kitsunesoba 5y ago
  Similar here, I don’t mind the subscription fee and even like that I can effortlessly pull my passwords from whichever device I need to at the moment. The new electron app is a mess though, even if its data layer is done in Rust. It feels like a cheap imitation of the old one with so many little details being wrong, along with the general sluggishness that comes with a “modern” web stack. I’m not really happy with any of the other options either though. Bitwarden is stuck in the browser, and the various KeePass clients vary a lot in polish. It seems a little ridiculous because the UI involved in this sort of app is trivial to build and make nice in practically any native UI toolkit released in the past 20 years. It’s just list views and text fields… I would’ve expected the hard part of building a password manager to be the functional bits, not the UI.
  - rekoil 5y ago
    Right!? The hard part is integrating nicely with the OS, which is just not something that's in Electrons bag. The thing Electron "improves" for them is portability for the one thing that users really want to avoid interacting with. It's just such a confusing business decision in my eyes, and to be completely honest, part of the reason I'm looking at switching is literally that they are making a decision like this unprovoked when they have a great native app already, I just don't understand it and don't want to support a business making shit decisions like that. Someone in this thread suggested Strongbox which looks very promising. I will stick with 1Password until they've decommissioned 7, and then make my decision whether to stay or not I think.
    - pantulis 5y ago
      In Apple land you have Strongbox or Keepassium. Both are fine projects based on Keepass technology so you are basically safe and the developers are even in cool terms with themselves.
jiveturkey 5y ago
Same here. I begrudgingly moved to BW right after they stopped offering perpetual licenses. The UX is poor compared to 1P but for this software I could not continue to use 1P. They've become a deceptively marketed company. I actually had a sub on top of my perpetual license -- the cost is inconsequential and I want(ed) to support their business.
jeffrallen 5y ago
They should take 20 million, endow a foundation, and have the foundation hire a couple of their original devs to make a clean room, open-source equivalent to 1Password 6. Then those of us who actually just want a self hosted password manager, not a massive whacky cloud secret factory, can use that. Sigh, what a stupid world we live in, where greed destroys everything good.
- Kwpolska 5y ago
  Have you tried KeePassXC? It has a reasonable UI and mental model, and does zero cloudy things.
  - idonotknowwhy 5y ago
    And you can choose to sync with Dropbox, one drive, etc. And it has an android app.
  - mdaniel 5y ago
    And it can already read the 1Password .opvault (the "legacy" format, stored in Dropbox and on disk) "file" format -- I would guess it wouldn't be an unholy amount of work to teach it to write out that format, too, but I stopped short of doing that work because I figured KeePassXC wouldn't merge it After that, I would teach KeePassXC to serve the 1Password browser extension websocket protocol, because I found its UX far, far, far, far superior to KeePassXC's browser extension UX
  - AnonHP 5y ago
    I have tried it, but one of my use cases is sharing passwords, and I couldn’t figure out how to do that well.
- symlinkk 5y ago
  Why do you feel entitled to that? Are you going to pay for it again?
  - brailsafe 5y ago
d23 5y ago
> Yes, this is old news and sour grapes on my part. This is a tangent, but this isn't really the correct usage of sour grapes. "Sour grapes" implies you actually did want it to go away but are saying you didn't out of pride or something. I'm assuming that's not what you're trying to imply.
AnonHP 5y ago
Sorry to break it to you, but 1Password is not going to make any changes to suit your requirements. The company behind it is user hostile and quite stubborn. The only advice I can give is to switch from it to something else. There is absolutely no hope that your requirements will be considered. You can even post in their forums and see how they’ll shoot you down.
remram 5y ago
Bitwarden is a bit of a pain to self-host, it's built for a much bigger scale. Vaultwarden is a simpler solution, and is compatible with the Bitwarden apps. For a handful of users it is worth a look: https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden

eric-hu 5y ago

Migrate to Bitwarden. I owned a 1 password 6 license and hung onto it for dear life until last year. I technically had a 1 password subscription from work, and when that ended last year, my password experience hit a brick wall. I couldn’t add passwords from Windows. My Mac client refused to work, I had to uninstall multiple times and delete a data directory to erase any sign that 1 password subscription was on the system. I’m so glad I made the switch now. No pestering pop ups, equally usable on windows and Mac and iOS.

ilrwbwrkhv 5y ago
Same made the switch to bitwarden this year.
- pantulis 5y ago
  I went to Strongbox and never looked back. I have fond memories of 1Password and wish them luck. But I have felt forced by them to move to a subscription model and I cannot justify that.
markdown 5y ago
I did the same. On Bitwarden now.

rekoil 5y ago

I don't even mind the subscription fee and cloud hosting personally, just make a kickass native app like they always had and I'll stay. If they force me to "upgrade" to 8 and it's not a native app then I'll just use something else like bitwarden.

kitsunesoba 5y ago
Similar here, I don’t mind the subscription fee and even like that I can effortlessly pull my passwords from whichever device I need to at the moment. The new electron app is a mess though, even if its data layer is done in Rust. It feels like a cheap imitation of the old one with so many little details being wrong, along with the general sluggishness that comes with a “modern” web stack. I’m not really happy with any of the other options either though. Bitwarden is stuck in the browser, and the various KeePass clients vary a lot in polish. It seems a little ridiculous because the UI involved in this sort of app is trivial to build and make nice in practically any native UI toolkit released in the past 20 years. It’s just list views and text fields… I would’ve expected the hard part of building a password manager to be the functional bits, not the UI.
- rekoil 5y ago
  Right!? The hard part is integrating nicely with the OS, which is just not something that's in Electrons bag. The thing Electron "improves" for them is portability for the one thing that users really want to avoid interacting with. It's just such a confusing business decision in my eyes, and to be completely honest, part of the reason I'm looking at switching is literally that they are making a decision like this unprovoked when they have a great native app already, I just don't understand it and don't want to support a business making shit decisions like that. Someone in this thread suggested Strongbox which looks very promising. I will stick with 1Password until they've decommissioned 7, and then make my decision whether to stay or not I think.
  - pantulis 5y ago
    In Apple land you have Strongbox or Keepassium. Both are fine projects based on Keepass technology so you are basically safe and the developers are even in cool terms with themselves.

jiveturkey 5y ago

Same here. I begrudgingly moved to BW right after they stopped offering perpetual licenses. The UX is poor compared to 1P but for this software I could not continue to use 1P. They've become a deceptively marketed company. I actually had a sub on top of my perpetual license -- the cost is inconsequential and I want(ed) to support their business.

jeffrallen 5y ago

They should take 20 million, endow a foundation, and have the foundation hire a couple of their original devs to make a clean room, open-source equivalent to 1Password 6. Then those of us who actually just want a self hosted password manager, not a massive whacky cloud secret factory, can use that. Sigh, what a stupid world we live in, where greed destroys everything good.

Kwpolska 5y ago
Have you tried KeePassXC? It has a reasonable UI and mental model, and does zero cloudy things.
- idonotknowwhy 5y ago
  And you can choose to sync with Dropbox, one drive, etc. And it has an android app.
- mdaniel 5y ago
  And it can already read the 1Password .opvault (the "legacy" format, stored in Dropbox and on disk) "file" format -- I would guess it wouldn't be an unholy amount of work to teach it to write out that format, too, but I stopped short of doing that work because I figured KeePassXC wouldn't merge it After that, I would teach KeePassXC to serve the 1Password browser extension websocket protocol, because I found its UX far, far, far, far superior to KeePassXC's browser extension UX
- AnonHP 5y ago
  I have tried it, but one of my use cases is sharing passwords, and I couldn’t figure out how to do that well.
symlinkk 5y ago
Why do you feel entitled to that? Are you going to pay for it again?
- brailsafe 5y ago

d23 5y ago

> Yes, this is old news and sour grapes on my part. This is a tangent, but this isn't really the correct usage of sour grapes. "Sour grapes" implies you actually did want it to go away but are saying you didn't out of pride or something. I'm assuming that's not what you're trying to imply.

AnonHP 5y ago

Sorry to break it to you, but 1Password is not going to make any changes to suit your requirements. The company behind it is user hostile and quite stubborn. The only advice I can give is to switch from it to something else. There is absolutely no hope that your requirements will be considered. You can even post in their forums and see how they’ll shoot you down.

remram 5y ago

Bitwarden is a bit of a pain to self-host, it's built for a much bigger scale. Vaultwarden is a simpler solution, and is compatible with the Bitwarden apps. For a handful of users it is worth a look: https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden