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Thank you Max Schrems for everything you do to preserve EU citizens' privacy and compliance of companies to European law!

by triska 5y ago

thisisnotatest1 5y ago
- mort96 5y ago
  Libertarianism is so silly. "My freedom to live would be best served if there weren't politicians micromanaging other people's right to murder me". It's like a parody.
  - brobdingnagians 5y ago
    Libertarianism is definitely against murder. And quite a few libertarians believe that the FDA and EPA do too much to protect corporations from lawsuits, basically, if it meets their guidelines doesn't matter if it kills you, the company is protected. Absurd reductionism isn't helpful.
    - hobs 5y ago
      Are libertarians into informed consent? Because if they are, then they'd be against most of the data scraping going on.
      - brobdingnagians 5y ago
        Yep, they'd definitely be into informed consent. And would probably depend on the individual's definition of property.
    - raverbashing 5y ago
      Might I add, realistic libertarians do what you're saying But there are extreme factions of libertarians who really question things like "Do mothers really have a duty to take care of their children?" or think that private tribunals would work in practice.
      - t-3 5y ago
        > But there are extreme factions of libertarians who really question things like "Do mothers really have a duty to take care of their children?" You mean feminists?
    - raxxorrax 5y ago
      Libertarianism is always unpopular if people are afraid. And I believe many are very afraid now. That said, I believe it is insufficient to only have this perspective, but of course that changes from person to person. Expanding the law to disallow corporate surveillance would be almost too trivial. But nobody did it because they smelled it might lead to advantages.
  - fauigerzigerk 5y ago
    Not a great comparison. This is about who gets to decide whether or not to take the risk to deal with U.S companies in spite of the fact that they may be forced to hand over data to the U.S government. Is that my decision or does the government of my country take that decision for me? I think it's a question on which reasonable people can disagree.
- rhn_mk1 5y ago
  This is not about downloading content, it's about uploading content.
  - thisisnotatest1 5y ago
    - vman81 5y ago
      You are free to share any data with Google that you wish. Google is however not free to take said data from users without explicit consent.
      - denton-scratch 5y ago
        Not correct. You are not free to share PII with Google (or anyone in the USA).
        geewee 5y ago
        That's not true. Transfer to third countries is legal, as long as you _properly_ inform people of the risks that it poses, and it's completely voluntary: > finally, if a transfer of personal data is envisaged to a third country that isn’t the subject of an Adequacy Decision and if appropriate safeguards are absent, a transfer can be made based on a number of derogations for specific situations for example, where an individual has explicitly consented to the proposed transfer after having been provided with all necessary information about the risks associated with the transfer. https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/reform/rules-business-and-organisations/obligations/what-rules-apply-if-my-organisation-transfers-data-outside-eu_en https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/refo...
        denton-scratch 5y ago
        GP said: "You are free to share any data with Google that you wish." That is not consistent with GDPR, and that's what I was saying. And the Austrian court has confirmed that. The court has not said that it's illegal to use GA.
- throwawayvibes 5y ago
  - thisisnotatest1 5y ago
- AniseAbyss 5y ago
  Honestly? Move to the US if you want to be a libertarian. You'll be happier.
robin_reala 5y ago
Remember that you can support his organisation – NOYB – financially, if you want to see more of this sort of thing: https://support.noyb.eu/join https://support.noyb.eu/join

Thank you Max Schrems for everything you do to preserve EU citizens' privacy and compliance of companies to European law!

by triska 5y ago

Thank you Max Schrems for everything you do to preserve EU citizens' privacy and compliance of companies to European law!

thisisnotatest1 5y ago

mort96 5y ago
Libertarianism is so silly. "My freedom to live would be best served if there weren't politicians micromanaging other people's right to murder me". It's like a parody.
- brobdingnagians 5y ago
  Libertarianism is definitely against murder. And quite a few libertarians believe that the FDA and EPA do too much to protect corporations from lawsuits, basically, if it meets their guidelines doesn't matter if it kills you, the company is protected. Absurd reductionism isn't helpful.
  - hobs 5y ago
    Are libertarians into informed consent? Because if they are, then they'd be against most of the data scraping going on.
    - brobdingnagians 5y ago
      Yep, they'd definitely be into informed consent. And would probably depend on the individual's definition of property.
  - raverbashing 5y ago
    Might I add, realistic libertarians do what you're saying But there are extreme factions of libertarians who really question things like "Do mothers really have a duty to take care of their children?" or think that private tribunals would work in practice.
    - t-3 5y ago
      > But there are extreme factions of libertarians who really question things like "Do mothers really have a duty to take care of their children?" You mean feminists?
  - raxxorrax 5y ago
    Libertarianism is always unpopular if people are afraid. And I believe many are very afraid now. That said, I believe it is insufficient to only have this perspective, but of course that changes from person to person. Expanding the law to disallow corporate surveillance would be almost too trivial. But nobody did it because they smelled it might lead to advantages.
- fauigerzigerk 5y ago
  Not a great comparison. This is about who gets to decide whether or not to take the risk to deal with U.S companies in spite of the fact that they may be forced to hand over data to the U.S government. Is that my decision or does the government of my country take that decision for me? I think it's a question on which reasonable people can disagree.
rhn_mk1 5y ago
This is not about downloading content, it's about uploading content.
- thisisnotatest1 5y ago
  - vman81 5y ago
    You are free to share any data with Google that you wish. Google is however not free to take said data from users without explicit consent.
    - denton-scratch 5y ago
      Not correct. You are not free to share PII with Google (or anyone in the USA).
      - geewee 5y ago
        That's not true. Transfer to third countries is legal, as long as you _properly_ inform people of the risks that it poses, and it's completely voluntary: > finally, if a transfer of personal data is envisaged to a third country that isn’t the subject of an Adequacy Decision and if appropriate safeguards are absent, a transfer can be made based on a number of derogations for specific situations for example, where an individual has explicitly consented to the proposed transfer after having been provided with all necessary information about the risks associated with the transfer. https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/reform/rules-business-and-organisations/obligations/what-rules-apply-if-my-organisation-transfers-data-outside-eu_en https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/refo...
        denton-scratch 5y ago
        GP said: "You are free to share any data with Google that you wish." That is not consistent with GDPR, and that's what I was saying. And the Austrian court has confirmed that. The court has not said that it's illegal to use GA.
throwawayvibes 5y ago
- thisisnotatest1 5y ago
AniseAbyss 5y ago
Honestly? Move to the US if you want to be a libertarian. You'll be happier.

robin_reala 5y ago

Remember that you can support his organisation – NOYB – financially, if you want to see more of this sort of thing: https://support.noyb.eu/join https://support.noyb.eu/join