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The remedy for that will be wrapping the internal antenna in foil or cell tower emulation.

by seanp2k2 5y ago

Retr0id 5y ago
The remedy for that will be requiring a network handshake to occur on boot.
- fknorangesite 5y ago
  And when wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.
- Dylan16807 5y ago
  At that point it should be easy to return, at least.
- chris_wot 5y ago
  At which point, you tell them you have no coverage and get a refund.
- fragmede 5y ago
  The remedy for that is to emulate the server The remedy for that is to encrypt the communication The remedy for that is to MITM the server connection The remedy for that is HSTS... It's a cat a mouse game, the better solution for society (imo) is to have specific rights enshrined by law to allow for a qualified 3rd parties to access a system's internals.
  - Arnavion 5y ago
    The one advantage of playing the cat-and-mouse game is that the longer it goes on, the more complexity ends up being in the firmware (TLS, HPKP, etc as you already listed), which increases the likelihood of a bug that can be exploited to take over it.
    - VRay 5y ago
      In that vein, it might be worth noting that this thing is just a treadmill. There's this whole fancy computer attached probably via just a handful of very simple wires to the actual treadmill part that anyone cares about. If they get too obnoxious about the computer, you can just open the treadmill, yank the computer out, and replace it with something from China that costs $20 Of course, that'll then get attacked via the legal system for violating DRM.. ugh
- dbsmith83 5y ago
  The remedy for that is a crack
npteljes 5y ago
The remedy to that is that the thing will stop working after a while - like how Intel x86 CPUs turn off after 30 mins without their precious spy co-processor[0], or how Diablo 2 Resurrected discontinues working after 30 days of being offline[1]. Of course another remedy is that you're free to buy a similar thing from another manufacturer, that's not completely dropped the ball on the issue. That is, until all of the manufacturers drop the ball, like how the situation is with x86 CPUs and Intel ME / AMD ST. The true remedy would be well thought out, well enforced legislation. But yeah, I'm not holding my breath either. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine#Undocumented_methods https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine#Undocu... [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29977673 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29977673
- Buttons840 5y ago
  I don't know what scares me more, the fact that all manufacturers might go down this path, or that our society might reward them for doing so.
  - loceng 5y ago
    If we organize as a society, which in part means educating along with fixing the voting systems in most places to be fair and balanced (like by drowning out industrial complex lobby money by giving every eligible voter a $100/year voucher to contribute to the politician of their choice they feel best matches their interests), then we make laws to prevent such abusive-exploitive behaviour by companies.

The remedy for that will be wrapping the internal antenna in foil or cell tower emulation.

Retr0id 5y ago

The remedy for that will be requiring a network handshake to occur on boot.

fknorangesite 5y ago
And when wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.
Dylan16807 5y ago
At that point it should be easy to return, at least.
chris_wot 5y ago
At which point, you tell them you have no coverage and get a refund.
fragmede 5y ago
The remedy for that is to emulate the server The remedy for that is to encrypt the communication The remedy for that is to MITM the server connection The remedy for that is HSTS... It's a cat a mouse game, the better solution for society (imo) is to have specific rights enshrined by law to allow for a qualified 3rd parties to access a system's internals.
- Arnavion 5y ago
  The one advantage of playing the cat-and-mouse game is that the longer it goes on, the more complexity ends up being in the firmware (TLS, HPKP, etc as you already listed), which increases the likelihood of a bug that can be exploited to take over it.
  - VRay 5y ago
    In that vein, it might be worth noting that this thing is just a treadmill. There's this whole fancy computer attached probably via just a handful of very simple wires to the actual treadmill part that anyone cares about. If they get too obnoxious about the computer, you can just open the treadmill, yank the computer out, and replace it with something from China that costs $20 Of course, that'll then get attacked via the legal system for violating DRM.. ugh
dbsmith83 5y ago
The remedy for that is a crack

npteljes 5y ago

The remedy to that is that the thing will stop working after a while - like how Intel x86 CPUs turn off after 30 mins without their precious spy co-processor[0], or how Diablo 2 Resurrected discontinues working after 30 days of being offline[1]. Of course another remedy is that you're free to buy a similar thing from another manufacturer, that's not completely dropped the ball on the issue. That is, until all of the manufacturers drop the ball, like how the situation is with x86 CPUs and Intel ME / AMD ST. The true remedy would be well thought out, well enforced legislation. But yeah, I'm not holding my breath either. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine#Undocumented_methods https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine#Undocu... [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29977673 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29977673

Buttons840 5y ago
I don't know what scares me more, the fact that all manufacturers might go down this path, or that our society might reward them for doing so.
- loceng 5y ago
  If we organize as a society, which in part means educating along with fixing the voting systems in most places to be fair and balanced (like by drowning out industrial complex lobby money by giving every eligible voter a $100/year voucher to contribute to the politician of their choice they feel best matches their interests), then we make laws to prevent such abusive-exploitive behaviour by companies.