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Big difference with poker is that its all about money, the game doesnt work if people arent risking something. And if computers are superior, the game breaks do

Big difference with poker is that its all about money, the game doesnt work if people arent risking something. And if computers are superior, the game breaks down.

robrenaud 5y ago
You are worried that people will cheat in online poker, or what? For poker, people can still play face to face, and it being a game of mixed strategies means it's probably a lot less important that poker bots are better than people than in chess. Top chess players use the computers to set up preparation bombs on their opponents, with rebuttals to moves for specific positions created by the computers. That doesn't work in a game of imperfect information and mixed strategies.
- JacobThreeThree 5y ago
  >You are worried that people will cheat in online poker, or what? The norm for online chess is to not play for money, whereas the norm for online poker is to play for money, often for large sums. Of course the game with higher stakes is more likely to attract cheaters.
  - paxys 5y ago
    > whereas the norm for online poker is to play for money, often for large sums That is definitely not the norm. Most people are playing recreationally. Heck it is illegal to pay poker online with real money in 44/50 states in the US.
    - cortesoft 5y ago
      Yeah, but playing poker for not real money is a very different game. Players have no incentive to not take huge risks, so it is a completely different game.
    - eurasiantiger 5y ago
      And how do you suppose they enforce that?
rainonmoon 5y ago
Poker is not really all about money. Plenty of games might only ask you to stake like $5 but the joy and aim of the game is really to outplay the table, not take home $25.
- JacobThreeThree 5y ago
  For the purpose of AI "conquering" poker the money makes a huge difference. Would you play the same way if you were betting your life savings versus $5?
  - DennisP 5y ago
    No, but my play would deteriorate at the high stakes. A computer would play the most optimal strategy it can regardless.
throwaway287391 5y ago
> Big difference with poker is that its all about money, the game doesnt work if people arent risking something. I don't see this, I used to really enjoy online poker tournaments for play-money. It's a fun and strategic game in and of itself with nothing more than minor bragging rights on the line, to me at least. I honestly don't see why it should be any different from chess in terms of purely recreational play. (You could say chess is a deeper game, and that's probably true in some ways, but that's not a positive feature for casuals like me with no desire to invest many hours/years into mastering the game.)

Big difference with poker is that its all about money, the game doesnt work if people arent risking something. And if computers are superior, the game breaks down.

robrenaud 5y ago

You are worried that people will cheat in online poker, or what? For poker, people can still play face to face, and it being a game of mixed strategies means it's probably a lot less important that poker bots are better than people than in chess. Top chess players use the computers to set up preparation bombs on their opponents, with rebuttals to moves for specific positions created by the computers. That doesn't work in a game of imperfect information and mixed strategies.

JacobThreeThree 5y ago
>You are worried that people will cheat in online poker, or what? The norm for online chess is to not play for money, whereas the norm for online poker is to play for money, often for large sums. Of course the game with higher stakes is more likely to attract cheaters.
- paxys 5y ago
  > whereas the norm for online poker is to play for money, often for large sums That is definitely not the norm. Most people are playing recreationally. Heck it is illegal to pay poker online with real money in 44/50 states in the US.
  - cortesoft 5y ago
    Yeah, but playing poker for not real money is a very different game. Players have no incentive to not take huge risks, so it is a completely different game.
  - eurasiantiger 5y ago
    And how do you suppose they enforce that?

rainonmoon 5y ago

Poker is not really all about money. Plenty of games might only ask you to stake like $5 but the joy and aim of the game is really to outplay the table, not take home $25.

JacobThreeThree 5y ago
For the purpose of AI "conquering" poker the money makes a huge difference. Would you play the same way if you were betting your life savings versus $5?
- DennisP 5y ago
  No, but my play would deteriorate at the high stakes. A computer would play the most optimal strategy it can regardless.

throwaway287391 5y ago

> Big difference with poker is that its all about money, the game doesnt work if people arent risking something. I don't see this, I used to really enjoy online poker tournaments for play-money. It's a fun and strategic game in and of itself with nothing more than minor bragging rights on the line, to me at least. I honestly don't see why it should be any different from chess in terms of purely recreational play. (You could say chess is a deeper game, and that's probably true in some ways, but that's not a positive feature for casuals like me with no desire to invest many hours/years into mastering the game.)