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This should surprise no one since the spyware was developed by Israeli intelligence agencies.

jrochkind1 5y ago
So it would be like domestic law enforcement (the FBI? state patrol?) using NSA-developed spyware, secretly, without court orders, against US citizens, including protestors. Whether this should surprise you I guess depends on your worldview; whether it should alarm or disturb you, especially if you are an Israeli or in Israel, I guess depends on your view of individual rights and the police.
- myth_drannon 5y ago
  It's more like police using Palantir or Clearview AI
  - ummonk 5y ago
    It's nothing like that. Neither of those hack into people's phones. Edit: I guess you're pointing out that the spyware was developed by a private company rather than the Israeli equivalent of the NSA, which is true.
  - xbar 5y ago
    Is it? I do not know anything about Israeli "Federal/State/County/Municipal" law enforcement jurisdictions to agree or disagree.
- wswope 5y ago
  > So it would be like domestic law enforcement (the FBI? state patrol?) using NSA-developed spyware, secretly, without court orders, against US citizens, including protestors. In the US, we already have police using Stingray interceptors without warrants (and in a similar vein but less problematic, sweeping dragnet warrants issued to cell providers), which are slightly less invasive, but relatively comparable in terms of abuse potential. https://www.aclu.org/issues/privacy-technology/surveillance-technologies/stingray-tracking-devices-whos-got-them https://www.aclu.org/issues/privacy-technology/surveillance-...
- cheeze 5y ago
  Yes, it's like this. But in general, Mossad and Isreali intelligence have done whatever they wanted with no repercussions for a long time now. This is, IMO, nothing new.
- suifbwish 5y ago
  Faraday pockets
- eli_gottlieb 5y ago
  I certainly don't like it, but I'm not surprised by it. I sort of have to file it under people voting for the Leopards Eating Faces Party getting terribly shocked and appalled when the leopard eats their face. Like yeah, you jerks all said it was "smolani masriach boged" (stinking traitor lefty) to not vote for transparently sleazy political parties and their STRONG LEADER. Well, I stuck with my stinking lefty treason and now your guy is facing jail time and my party are in charge of the Health Ministry tackling vaccine distribution. So there.
stefan_ 5y ago
Domestic police working with intelligence services is called secret police, e.g. the Gestapo.
- rougka 5y ago
  lol, you really went straight to the hyperbole
  - stefan_ 5y ago
    It's just the most well known, or do you know the НКВД But yes, very lol kind of topic.
myth_drannon 5y ago
It was not, no matter how the company tries to market itself to foreign clients. Israeli intel has more important work to do than develop software to spy on journalists and others persons of interest for big ego dictators.
- encryptluks2 5y ago
  - myth_drannon 5y ago
    - encryptluks2 5y ago
- beepbooptheory 5y ago
  Really curious what, even on their terms, is the more important work.
  - myth_drannon 5y ago
    Stuxnet and the likes.
samstave 5y ago
If we learned nothing from STUXNET/DUQU.... Israel has literally the most advanced capabilities in this area that we are aware of... I mean - do you recall, as a part of the Snowden leaks, there was a small amount of information that came out that there was some channel/mechanism by which israel was effectively given a firehose of data from the collective five-eyes... I don't quite recall the details, but it was a revelation because via that firehose they were getting more data than was thought to be 'allowed'/previously known...
- selimthegrim 5y ago
  It wasn’t just on Palestinian-Americans?
  - samstave 5y ago
    AFAIR: It was supposed to be limited to some sort of agreed hose... but it was revealed that they were getting the full blast...

So it would be like domestic law enforcement (the FBI? state patrol?) using NSA-developed spyware, secretly, without court orders, against US citizens, including protestors. Whether this should surprise you I guess depends on your worldview; whether it should alarm or disturb you, especially if you are an Israeli or in Israel, I guess depends on your view of individual rights and the police.

myth_drannon 5y ago
It's more like police using Palantir or Clearview AI
- ummonk 5y ago
  It's nothing like that. Neither of those hack into people's phones. Edit: I guess you're pointing out that the spyware was developed by a private company rather than the Israeli equivalent of the NSA, which is true.
- xbar 5y ago
  Is it? I do not know anything about Israeli "Federal/State/County/Municipal" law enforcement jurisdictions to agree or disagree.
wswope 5y ago
> So it would be like domestic law enforcement (the FBI? state patrol?) using NSA-developed spyware, secretly, without court orders, against US citizens, including protestors. In the US, we already have police using Stingray interceptors without warrants (and in a similar vein but less problematic, sweeping dragnet warrants issued to cell providers), which are slightly less invasive, but relatively comparable in terms of abuse potential. https://www.aclu.org/issues/privacy-technology/surveillance-technologies/stingray-tracking-devices-whos-got-them https://www.aclu.org/issues/privacy-technology/surveillance-...
cheeze 5y ago
Yes, it's like this. But in general, Mossad and Isreali intelligence have done whatever they wanted with no repercussions for a long time now. This is, IMO, nothing new.
suifbwish 5y ago
Faraday pockets
eli_gottlieb 5y ago
I certainly don't like it, but I'm not surprised by it. I sort of have to file it under people voting for the Leopards Eating Faces Party getting terribly shocked and appalled when the leopard eats their face. Like yeah, you jerks all said it was "smolani masriach boged" (stinking traitor lefty) to not vote for transparently sleazy political parties and their STRONG LEADER. Well, I stuck with my stinking lefty treason and now your guy is facing jail time and my party are in charge of the Health Ministry tackling vaccine distribution. So there.

stefan_ 5y ago

Domestic police working with intelligence services is called secret police, e.g. the Gestapo.

rougka 5y ago
lol, you really went straight to the hyperbole
- stefan_ 5y ago
  It's just the most well known, or do you know the НКВД But yes, very lol kind of topic.

myth_drannon 5y ago

It was not, no matter how the company tries to market itself to foreign clients. Israeli intel has more important work to do than develop software to spy on journalists and others persons of interest for big ego dictators.

encryptluks2 5y ago
- myth_drannon 5y ago
  - encryptluks2 5y ago
beepbooptheory 5y ago
Really curious what, even on their terms, is the more important work.
- myth_drannon 5y ago
  Stuxnet and the likes.

samstave 5y ago

If we learned nothing from STUXNET/DUQU.... Israel has literally the most advanced capabilities in this area that we are aware of... I mean - do you recall, as a part of the Snowden leaks, there was a small amount of information that came out that there was some channel/mechanism by which israel was effectively given a firehose of data from the collective five-eyes... I don't quite recall the details, but it was a revelation because via that firehose they were getting more data than was thought to be 'allowed'/previously known...

selimthegrim 5y ago
It wasn’t just on Palestinian-Americans?
- samstave 5y ago
  AFAIR: It was supposed to be limited to some sort of agreed hose... but it was revealed that they were getting the full blast...