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"Omicron is gonna get everyone" This is a very specific claim that gets thrown around a lot with zero evidence. "There's no way to flatten this curve." If pe

"Omicron is gonna get everyone" This is a very specific claim that gets thrown around a lot with zero evidence. "There's no way to flatten this curve." If people were dying now at the same rate they were dying in the first wave, the curve would be flattened because people would once again be cowering in their homes while only ambulances and hearses roamed the streets.

nradov 5y ago
Some variant of SARS-CoV-2 will be around forever, just like the other endemic coronaviruses. It is impossible to eradicate. Thus everyone will be repeatedly exposed. This is so obvious that I can't imagine what sort of evidence you would want. https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646 https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646 If you think it will be possible to avoid the virus forever then please explain how that could be accomplished in the real world? Because people aren't going to continue with social distancing or wearing PPE for the rest of their lives, regardless of the risks.
- standardUser 5y ago
  The flu has been around forever, but not every single person has had the flu. Viruses don't spread like magic, and there's bound to be some segment of the population that never gets infected. To me, that seems more obvious than assuming every single person will come in contact and become infected. Even within the same household, Omicron doesn't always spread to every member.
- rdtwo 5y ago
  Some of us just need to make it a few months till our kids can get vaccinated. If we Had any independent doctors that could fudge the age requirement we wouldn’t even wait.
  - nradov 5y ago
    Fortunately CDC data shows there is no significant risk to healthy children. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd...
    - rdtwo 5y ago
      Nobody knows the long term effects for kids. It’s probably ok but nobody knows. The cdc isnt an organization that uses data for its recommendations and they have embarrassed themselves so much recently that nobody should trust anything they say.
  - brimble 5y ago
    Matters less with omicron. Kids were already at very low risk. Vaccines are reducing hospitalization rates, which already hardly matters for kids, but don't seem to be doing much to prevent transmission, which was the most persuasive argument for all kinds of things (vaccinating kids, school closures, et c.) before. This wave's very different from previous ones. [EDIT] barring other risk factors, obviously. Some kids definitely are at significant risk.
    - rdtwo 5y ago
      I spend a lot of money on things that provide minor improvements to projected outcomes for my kid. So my kid getting a vaccine to slightly improve odds of a better outcome is must.
      - brimble 5y ago
        Oh, yeah, sure, don't not do it if you're inclined to. Ours are vaccinated, including one who barely made the cut. I'm pretty sure the math still checks out, even with omicron, it's just getting really close to "about 100 other things I never think about at all, are more important than this" territory, for (healthy) kids specifically, so I'd encourage anyone who's actually worried about their otherwise-healthy kid not being vaccinated, even if the worry is mostly about those they might infect, to not worry, given the current circumstances.
brimble 5y ago
> This is a very specific claim that gets thrown around a lot with zero evidence. What... have you been looking at that has you thinking otherwise? [EDIT] I mean for the colloquial "everyone" that means "so close to everyone that there's not much practical difference", not necessarily "literally zero people anywhere won't get it"—because it's really looking like "everyone" in the US is gonna get it within ~3 months, from what I see, which is just totally ordinary sources about infection rates.
- standardUser 5y ago
  The rate of new cases has already plummeted in the Northeast. Has everyone there been infected? We don't know exactly, but if they haven't their chances are diminishing very quickly.
  - danaris 5y ago
    I live in the Northeast, and have not (to my knowledge) been infected, nor has anyone else in my household. Same with my parents and in-laws, also in the Northeast.

nradov 5y ago

Some variant of SARS-CoV-2 will be around forever, just like the other endemic coronaviruses. It is impossible to eradicate. Thus everyone will be repeatedly exposed. This is so obvious that I can't imagine what sort of evidence you would want. https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646 https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646 If you think it will be possible to avoid the virus forever then please explain how that could be accomplished in the real world? Because people aren't going to continue with social distancing or wearing PPE for the rest of their lives, regardless of the risks.

standardUser 5y ago
The flu has been around forever, but not every single person has had the flu. Viruses don't spread like magic, and there's bound to be some segment of the population that never gets infected. To me, that seems more obvious than assuming every single person will come in contact and become infected. Even within the same household, Omicron doesn't always spread to every member.
rdtwo 5y ago
Some of us just need to make it a few months till our kids can get vaccinated. If we Had any independent doctors that could fudge the age requirement we wouldn’t even wait.
- nradov 5y ago
  Fortunately CDC data shows there is no significant risk to healthy children. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd...
  - rdtwo 5y ago
    Nobody knows the long term effects for kids. It’s probably ok but nobody knows. The cdc isnt an organization that uses data for its recommendations and they have embarrassed themselves so much recently that nobody should trust anything they say.
- brimble 5y ago
  Matters less with omicron. Kids were already at very low risk. Vaccines are reducing hospitalization rates, which already hardly matters for kids, but don't seem to be doing much to prevent transmission, which was the most persuasive argument for all kinds of things (vaccinating kids, school closures, et c.) before. This wave's very different from previous ones. [EDIT] barring other risk factors, obviously. Some kids definitely are at significant risk.
  - rdtwo 5y ago
    I spend a lot of money on things that provide minor improvements to projected outcomes for my kid. So my kid getting a vaccine to slightly improve odds of a better outcome is must.
    - brimble 5y ago
      Oh, yeah, sure, don't not do it if you're inclined to. Ours are vaccinated, including one who barely made the cut. I'm pretty sure the math still checks out, even with omicron, it's just getting really close to "about 100 other things I never think about at all, are more important than this" territory, for (healthy) kids specifically, so I'd encourage anyone who's actually worried about their otherwise-healthy kid not being vaccinated, even if the worry is mostly about those they might infect, to not worry, given the current circumstances.

brimble 5y ago

> This is a very specific claim that gets thrown around a lot with zero evidence. What... have you been looking at that has you thinking otherwise? [EDIT] I mean for the colloquial "everyone" that means "so close to everyone that there's not much practical difference", not necessarily "literally zero people anywhere won't get it"—because it's really looking like "everyone" in the US is gonna get it within ~3 months, from what I see, which is just totally ordinary sources about infection rates.

standardUser 5y ago
The rate of new cases has already plummeted in the Northeast. Has everyone there been infected? We don't know exactly, but if they haven't their chances are diminishing very quickly.
- danaris 5y ago
  I live in the Northeast, and have not (to my knowledge) been infected, nor has anyone else in my household. Same with my parents and in-laws, also in the Northeast.