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Well Biden confidently went in front of the public and claimed he could, I thinks it's reasonable to be upset with politicians who fail to meet their promises

by yesco 5y ago

Damogran6 5y ago
That's not limited to one party or the other. Likewise, Mexico didn't pay for a wall.
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nradov 5y ago
Joe Biden in October 2020: "We're eight months into this pandemic, and Donald Trump still doesn't have a plan to get this virus under control. I do." https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1316894374500962305 https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1316894374500962305
- markoman 5y ago
  Nobody blamed Trump for the pandemic even after he downplayed it and referred to it as a 'democrat hoax' at a rally. Now, it seems like Biden is left holding the bag, simply because he claimed to have a plan to address it. A pandemic isn't some finite, controllable force. It adapts and mutates when given the chance to do so. And the failure of almost 40% of our highly-fractured population to accede to vaccines, masks, or lockdowns is making these mutations possible and likely. You can't just spray the air to rid the world of this virus. It has to be killed within its human hosts or blocked at points of infection. The anti-vaccine crowd at first pointed to lacking FDA approval and once that came, refused due to possible 'long term side effects'. I'm unfamiliar with any infamy around long-term side effects of past vaccines, so I see this as something of an excuse. It's just easier to blame the President who promised to get it under control, isn't it? But is it fair?
  - nradov 5y ago
    Stop lying. Trump never claimed that the pandemic was a "democrat hoax". https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-virus-outbreak-ap-fact-check-politics-joe-biden-1eea443cca46df5f18e61b7c34549da2 https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-virus-outbreak-ap-f... There are plenty of legitimate reasons to criticize his response to the pandemic without making things up. The current thinking is that mutations are most likely to occur in immunocompromised patients who experience prolonged infections. I encourage everyone eligible to protect themselves by getting vaccinated, but vaccines are less effective in those with malfunctioning immune systems. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/covid-variants-may-arise-in-people-with-compromised-immune-systems/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/covid-variants-ma... I'll leave you with another Biden quote from October 2020: "220,000 Americans dead. If you hear nothing else I say tonight, hear this. Anyone who's responsible for not taking control — in fact, not saying, I take no responsibility, initially — anyone who is responsible for that many deaths should not remain as President of the United States of America." We're up to 900K deaths now. Is it fair to blame Biden for failing to get it under control? Probably not, but he never hesitated to blame his predecessor. Politics is never fair. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/10/23/debate-transcript-trump-biden-final-presidential-debate-nashville/3740152001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/...
    - markoman 5y ago
      You are certainly correct that Trump didn't refer directly to COVID as a hoax, but only in the literal sense and especially when given the chance in the following days to clean it up. However, applying literalism to Trump's words or even divining a context is a fool's errand. He so often seemed to be talking directly to his 'fifth avenue', ride-or-die supporters, hungry to depict him as a victim of the treachery of an 'angry', 'elitist', liberal Left. One time he failed to clean it up was the very famous time he referred to getting disinfectant into the body as a COVID remedy, although he never literally said the oft-repeated phrase 'inject bleach'. After doctors were left condemning his comments, he said that he was being sarcastic, which I think is non-sensical given the subject matter (i.e., in the middle of the a pandemic, during a press conference surrounded by doctors, POTUS wants to go spit-balling on potential remedies and get all sarcastic on... disinfectants & their applicability to this virus). As far as presidential responsibility for COVID deaths go, I think things are a bit different now owing to personal responsibility. Since we have vaccines now, should you refuse the vaccine and then die from the virus can you really blame POTUS for your death? Biden took the unusual step of reneging on his promise against vaccine mandates to do just that later once there was a new wave of deaths in August 2021. I give him credit for casting aside the obvious political implications of reneging on a promise and that of a obviously unpopular mandate, as well. To then blame this same POTUS for more deaths seems especially unfair. Biden and his medical advisors know the truth that this virus just won't 'go away' as Trump would like to say with a flick of his wrist in its early days, and that we will have to get bare-knuckled about it or suffer more deaths from evermore mutations.
nitwit005 5y ago
There's sort of a requirement to lie/exaggerate some of the time. Voters don't want to hear that you won't be able to pass a bunch of stuff they want, because the other party has too much power in congress.

Well Biden confidently went in front of the public and claimed he could, I thinks it's reasonable to be upset with politicians who fail to meet their promises

by yesco 5y ago

Well Biden confidently went in front of the public and claimed he could, I thinks it's reasonable to be upset with politicians who fail to meet their promises

Damogran6 5y ago

That's not limited to one party or the other. Likewise, Mexico didn't pay for a wall.

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nradov 5y ago

Joe Biden in October 2020: "We're eight months into this pandemic, and Donald Trump still doesn't have a plan to get this virus under control. I do." https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1316894374500962305 https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1316894374500962305

markoman 5y ago
Nobody blamed Trump for the pandemic even after he downplayed it and referred to it as a 'democrat hoax' at a rally. Now, it seems like Biden is left holding the bag, simply because he claimed to have a plan to address it. A pandemic isn't some finite, controllable force. It adapts and mutates when given the chance to do so. And the failure of almost 40% of our highly-fractured population to accede to vaccines, masks, or lockdowns is making these mutations possible and likely. You can't just spray the air to rid the world of this virus. It has to be killed within its human hosts or blocked at points of infection. The anti-vaccine crowd at first pointed to lacking FDA approval and once that came, refused due to possible 'long term side effects'. I'm unfamiliar with any infamy around long-term side effects of past vaccines, so I see this as something of an excuse. It's just easier to blame the President who promised to get it under control, isn't it? But is it fair?
- nradov 5y ago
  Stop lying. Trump never claimed that the pandemic was a "democrat hoax". https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-virus-outbreak-ap-fact-check-politics-joe-biden-1eea443cca46df5f18e61b7c34549da2 https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-virus-outbreak-ap-f... There are plenty of legitimate reasons to criticize his response to the pandemic without making things up. The current thinking is that mutations are most likely to occur in immunocompromised patients who experience prolonged infections. I encourage everyone eligible to protect themselves by getting vaccinated, but vaccines are less effective in those with malfunctioning immune systems. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/covid-variants-may-arise-in-people-with-compromised-immune-systems/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/covid-variants-ma... I'll leave you with another Biden quote from October 2020: "220,000 Americans dead. If you hear nothing else I say tonight, hear this. Anyone who's responsible for not taking control — in fact, not saying, I take no responsibility, initially — anyone who is responsible for that many deaths should not remain as President of the United States of America." We're up to 900K deaths now. Is it fair to blame Biden for failing to get it under control? Probably not, but he never hesitated to blame his predecessor. Politics is never fair. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/10/23/debate-transcript-trump-biden-final-presidential-debate-nashville/3740152001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/...
  - markoman 5y ago
    You are certainly correct that Trump didn't refer directly to COVID as a hoax, but only in the literal sense and especially when given the chance in the following days to clean it up. However, applying literalism to Trump's words or even divining a context is a fool's errand. He so often seemed to be talking directly to his 'fifth avenue', ride-or-die supporters, hungry to depict him as a victim of the treachery of an 'angry', 'elitist', liberal Left. One time he failed to clean it up was the very famous time he referred to getting disinfectant into the body as a COVID remedy, although he never literally said the oft-repeated phrase 'inject bleach'. After doctors were left condemning his comments, he said that he was being sarcastic, which I think is non-sensical given the subject matter (i.e., in the middle of the a pandemic, during a press conference surrounded by doctors, POTUS wants to go spit-balling on potential remedies and get all sarcastic on... disinfectants & their applicability to this virus). As far as presidential responsibility for COVID deaths go, I think things are a bit different now owing to personal responsibility. Since we have vaccines now, should you refuse the vaccine and then die from the virus can you really blame POTUS for your death? Biden took the unusual step of reneging on his promise against vaccine mandates to do just that later once there was a new wave of deaths in August 2021. I give him credit for casting aside the obvious political implications of reneging on a promise and that of a obviously unpopular mandate, as well. To then blame this same POTUS for more deaths seems especially unfair. Biden and his medical advisors know the truth that this virus just won't 'go away' as Trump would like to say with a flick of his wrist in its early days, and that we will have to get bare-knuckled about it or suffer more deaths from evermore mutations.

nitwit005 5y ago

There's sort of a requirement to lie/exaggerate some of the time. Voters don't want to hear that you won't be able to pass a bunch of stuff they want, because the other party has too much power in congress.