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> Hopefully they get tired before they get dangerous. Clearly, it is much too late for that.

by podiki 5y ago

AnimalMuppet 5y ago
For the flat earthers? How are they dangerous?
- JaimeThompson 5y ago
  - mistermann 5y ago
    If you don't mind me asking, can I inquire about what data source(s) you used to form this belief?
    - rnd0 5y ago
      I'm not the person you're replying to, but I am someone who has watched the spread of covid denialism, anti-vaccination views and the the news media (which features stories such as: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177 ). It doesn't seem to me to be much of a stretch to state that people who espouse the flat earth theory also espouse other conspiracy-theory views as well. What exactly, if anything, makes that difficult to believe for you?
      - mistermann 5y ago
        The lack of data and excess of heuristics, and that no one seems to realize this, or care.
    - Toutouxc 5y ago
      Not the person you're replying to, but empirically I'd say that it's pretty accurate. I don't know a single person who's into just one conspiracy theory. It's either none or the whole package.
      - johnisgood 5y ago
        So who are those people who are only cautious about the COVID-19 vaccine? How should we call them? I am personally cautious of COVID-19 vaccines because of quick time of development, and financial incentives everywhere, but most importantly, because it would poke my immune system which usually results in flare-ups in my case, and I would like to avoid flare-ups. Plus, I very rarely go outside, so I do not pose a risk to anyone, nor am I able to catch it from anyone. That said, I have been quarantined with a COVID-19 positive person for 2 weeks or so. He was asymptomatic, and I had no symptoms at all either, although no clue if I ever got it from him. I am also in a more or less safe age group. Those are my reasons for passing. Sounds fair, or am I a conspiracy theorist? I do not mind vaccines. I got a hepatitis B vaccine a couple of years ago, twice, and I would not mind getting it again if I have to. I got all the other mandatory vaccines, too, when I was a kid. I do not think that it was a mistake.
        denton-scratch 5y ago
        > Sounds fair, or am I a conspiracy theorist? Sounds like common sense to me. But you can't argue for views like that in polite society - you'll be howled down by a crowd of people who believe the doctrine of "herd immunity" applies to leaky vaccines that wear off after three months.
      - mistermann 5y ago
        > Not the person you're replying to, but empirically I'd say that it's pretty accurate. Empirically, everyone would say that their worldview is accurate, including conspiracy theorists. An interesting question is: who is actually correct (if we were to examine each given situation in detail using strict logic and epistemology)? > I don't know a single person who's into just one conspiracy theory. It's either none or the whole package. I know plenty who are into only some - in fact I am one of them, and I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have.
    - IAmEveryone 5y ago
      The protests in Germany regularly include all sorts of other conspiracy subcommunities, including the seedy underbelly of it all, anti-semitism, but also 9/11 truthers and weird esoteric believes. Anyone really into astral healing five years ago is busy these days proving viruses don't exist.
    - JaimeThompson 5y ago
      Listening to discussion on youtube as I do my daily walks. Channels like Jeranism, Karen B, Globebusters, and others talk about such things routinely.
      - mistermann 5y ago
        There's no doubt that such things exist in quantities > 0, but when you say "X is into Y" and X is a large group of people, shall we be concerned about the percentage of group X who are actually into Y? And if not, then who are we to criticize members of X for being into things for which they do not have supporting evidence? Look at the thinking on display in this thread - if we abstract it above the object (topic) level, would we not discover that all people think like conspiracy theorists, if perhaps to a lesser degree? Does anyone care whether all the things they believe to be true are actually true? And, since we have little if any measurements on the matter, what shall we make of the substantial percentage of mainstream beliefs that members of group X are(!) worse than normal people? It is an artifact of people's imaginations, as are the beliefs of members of group X - and, each group laughs at the stupidity of the other, day after day, year after year - an infinite loop. Imagine if we programmed computers the way we think about the world, what a mess that would be.
- willis936 5y ago
  What's the harm in a post-truth society? It's a memetic virus that is spreading. Misinformation was weaponized before flat earth took off. However flat earth is the embodiment of 2 + 2 = 5.
- adolph 5y ago
  Defined as dangerous because: https://www.slatestarcodexabridged.com/I-Can-Tolerate-Anything-Except-The-Outgroup https://www.slatestarcodexabridged.com/I-Can-Tolerate-Anythi...
- isaacremuant 5y ago
  Because nowadays, anyone gets called a conspiracy theorist if they challenge establishment narratives. You get conflated with them, just like you got conflated with extremists/terrorists if you were antiwar (think invasion of Iraq). Covid policies are extremely authoritarian but you can only challenge them to require MORE security theater, not less. Else, you're labeled and, as OP said, you're dangerous. Your IDEAS are Dangerous. Just like when reading communist books made you dangerous. Several dictatorships knew it was necessary to disappear such dangerous people with their dangerous thoughts. Anti intellectualism is at its all time high when it comes to "not questioning 'the science'" (The gov/Big tech/state health institutions/state media)

> Hopefully they get tired before they get dangerous. Clearly, it is much too late for that.

by podiki 5y ago

> Hopefully they get tired before they get dangerous. Clearly, it is much too late for that.

AnimalMuppet 5y ago

For the flat earthers? How are they dangerous?

JaimeThompson 5y ago
- mistermann 5y ago
  If you don't mind me asking, can I inquire about what data source(s) you used to form this belief?
  - rnd0 5y ago
    I'm not the person you're replying to, but I am someone who has watched the spread of covid denialism, anti-vaccination views and the the news media (which features stories such as: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177 ). It doesn't seem to me to be much of a stretch to state that people who espouse the flat earth theory also espouse other conspiracy-theory views as well. What exactly, if anything, makes that difficult to believe for you?
    - mistermann 5y ago
      The lack of data and excess of heuristics, and that no one seems to realize this, or care.
  - Toutouxc 5y ago
    Not the person you're replying to, but empirically I'd say that it's pretty accurate. I don't know a single person who's into just one conspiracy theory. It's either none or the whole package.
    - johnisgood 5y ago
      So who are those people who are only cautious about the COVID-19 vaccine? How should we call them? I am personally cautious of COVID-19 vaccines because of quick time of development, and financial incentives everywhere, but most importantly, because it would poke my immune system which usually results in flare-ups in my case, and I would like to avoid flare-ups. Plus, I very rarely go outside, so I do not pose a risk to anyone, nor am I able to catch it from anyone. That said, I have been quarantined with a COVID-19 positive person for 2 weeks or so. He was asymptomatic, and I had no symptoms at all either, although no clue if I ever got it from him. I am also in a more or less safe age group. Those are my reasons for passing. Sounds fair, or am I a conspiracy theorist? I do not mind vaccines. I got a hepatitis B vaccine a couple of years ago, twice, and I would not mind getting it again if I have to. I got all the other mandatory vaccines, too, when I was a kid. I do not think that it was a mistake.
      - denton-scratch 5y ago
        > Sounds fair, or am I a conspiracy theorist? Sounds like common sense to me. But you can't argue for views like that in polite society - you'll be howled down by a crowd of people who believe the doctrine of "herd immunity" applies to leaky vaccines that wear off after three months.
    - mistermann 5y ago
      > Not the person you're replying to, but empirically I'd say that it's pretty accurate. Empirically, everyone would say that their worldview is accurate, including conspiracy theorists. An interesting question is: who is actually correct (if we were to examine each given situation in detail using strict logic and epistemology)? > I don't know a single person who's into just one conspiracy theory. It's either none or the whole package. I know plenty who are into only some - in fact I am one of them, and I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have.
  - IAmEveryone 5y ago
    The protests in Germany regularly include all sorts of other conspiracy subcommunities, including the seedy underbelly of it all, anti-semitism, but also 9/11 truthers and weird esoteric believes. Anyone really into astral healing five years ago is busy these days proving viruses don't exist.
  - JaimeThompson 5y ago
    Listening to discussion on youtube as I do my daily walks. Channels like Jeranism, Karen B, Globebusters, and others talk about such things routinely.
    - mistermann 5y ago
      There's no doubt that such things exist in quantities > 0, but when you say "X is into Y" and X is a large group of people, shall we be concerned about the percentage of group X who are actually into Y? And if not, then who are we to criticize members of X for being into things for which they do not have supporting evidence? Look at the thinking on display in this thread - if we abstract it above the object (topic) level, would we not discover that all people think like conspiracy theorists, if perhaps to a lesser degree? Does anyone care whether all the things they believe to be true are actually true? And, since we have little if any measurements on the matter, what shall we make of the substantial percentage of mainstream beliefs that members of group X are(!) worse than normal people? It is an artifact of people's imaginations, as are the beliefs of members of group X - and, each group laughs at the stupidity of the other, day after day, year after year - an infinite loop. Imagine if we programmed computers the way we think about the world, what a mess that would be.
willis936 5y ago
What's the harm in a post-truth society? It's a memetic virus that is spreading. Misinformation was weaponized before flat earth took off. However flat earth is the embodiment of 2 + 2 = 5.
adolph 5y ago
Defined as dangerous because: https://www.slatestarcodexabridged.com/I-Can-Tolerate-Anything-Except-The-Outgroup https://www.slatestarcodexabridged.com/I-Can-Tolerate-Anythi...
isaacremuant 5y ago
Because nowadays, anyone gets called a conspiracy theorist if they challenge establishment narratives. You get conflated with them, just like you got conflated with extremists/terrorists if you were antiwar (think invasion of Iraq). Covid policies are extremely authoritarian but you can only challenge them to require MORE security theater, not less. Else, you're labeled and, as OP said, you're dangerous. Your IDEAS are Dangerous. Just like when reading communist books made you dangerous. Several dictatorships knew it was necessary to disappear such dangerous people with their dangerous thoughts. Anti intellectualism is at its all time high when it comes to "not questioning 'the science'" (The gov/Big tech/state health institutions/state media)