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I am living in Israel, i doubt that it is possible to state anything definitively on the subject: regulations and decissions are being changed on a daily basis.

I am living in Israel, i doubt that it is possible to state anything definitively on the subject: regulations and decissions are being changed on a daily basis. I am not a healthcare specialist, however all this is giving the impression of being one big mess...

cblconfederate 5y ago
I think it can definitely be stated that having weekly decisions about something as serious and possibly long-lasting as vaccinations are a bad omen. Especially if we consider possible adverse effects in children we should instead opt for partial lockdowns at least temporarily to stem the wave
- MichaelMoser123 5y ago
  Not quite sure about this, lockdowns are having profound psychological implications, especially on the young ones. A child can't be expected to sit in a zoom session all day, it's simply not possible.
  - kittiepryde 5y ago
    Source?
    - MichaelMoser123 5y ago
      you can ask just about any family with kids; you can also google it, there are plenty of studies on the subject. Here is a ready made query on the subject; https://www.google.com/search?q=impact+of+lockdown+on+children%27s+mental+health&source=hp&ei=RCPmYd2RCZDQUt6HvZAH&iflsig=ALs-wAMAAAAAYeYxVKX207J3WObUb8iHAD44AXjPEBq_&oq=psychological+impact+of+lockdowns+on+chi&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYADIGCAAQFhAeOg4ILhCABBCxAxDHARDRAzoICAAQgAQQsQM6CwguEIAEELEDEIMBOgsILhCxAxDHARCjAjoOCC4QgAQQsQMQxwEQowI6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToICC4QgAQQsQM6BQgAEIAEOgsILhCABBDHARDRAzoFCC4QgARQAFj2gQFg3JUBaAJwAHgAgAGEAYgBhySSAQQyLjQwmAEAoAEB&sclient=gws-wiz https://www.google.com/search?q=impact+of+lockdown+on+childr...
    - dgfitz 5y ago
      Parents.
- goalieca 5y ago
  Lockdowns have known serious and long lasting effects.
- epgui 5y ago
  I think you seriously overestimate the overall harms of vaccines. I'm a life scientist, and I'd take the side effect profile & risks of the worst vaccine in the last 50 years over that of an Extra Strength Tylenol any day.
Daishiman 5y ago
That's how science works: when the facts become updated you update your decisions. Israel has been among the most science-driven governments in Covid policy. I'm not really sure why your "impression" should be mentioned given that you expressly state that you're not a specialist.
- MichaelMoser123 5y ago
  I have some difficulty with parsing this sentence: who should be asked for permission on what should be mentioned or not?
- FridayoLeary 5y ago
  I think you are sadly wrong. Corona policy in the early days quickly became inextricably enmeshed in political rivalries, electioneering and knee- jerk reactions. When you say "science driven" i think you really meant "stricter regulations". It is a fatal error to conflate the two.
  - Daishiman 5y ago
    Yes, there's a lot of baggage left over with a lot of regulations that were made at the beginning and which don't make much sense now. It annoys me. It's not the end of the world, and much in the same way that we had vaccine passports and quarantines throughout history when diseases came and went, once we get over with this I trust we work to get rid of the baggage.
    - Mountain_Skies 5y ago
      Just like we got rid of the Patriot Act and all of its tag alongs?
      - Daishiman 5y ago
        No, just like how we had quarantines for people coming by ship in the 50s or how you have required vaccinations to enter certain countries on certain disease outbreaks and that has just been reduced drastrically as a lot of endemic diseases have been tamed.

cblconfederate 5y ago

I think it can definitely be stated that having weekly decisions about something as serious and possibly long-lasting as vaccinations are a bad omen. Especially if we consider possible adverse effects in children we should instead opt for partial lockdowns at least temporarily to stem the wave

MichaelMoser123 5y ago
Not quite sure about this, lockdowns are having profound psychological implications, especially on the young ones. A child can't be expected to sit in a zoom session all day, it's simply not possible.
- kittiepryde 5y ago
  Source?
  - MichaelMoser123 5y ago
    you can ask just about any family with kids; you can also google it, there are plenty of studies on the subject. Here is a ready made query on the subject; https://www.google.com/search?q=impact+of+lockdown+on+children%27s+mental+health&source=hp&ei=RCPmYd2RCZDQUt6HvZAH&iflsig=ALs-wAMAAAAAYeYxVKX207J3WObUb8iHAD44AXjPEBq_&oq=psychological+impact+of+lockdowns+on+chi&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYADIGCAAQFhAeOg4ILhCABBCxAxDHARDRAzoICAAQgAQQsQM6CwguEIAEELEDEIMBOgsILhCxAxDHARCjAjoOCC4QgAQQsQMQxwEQowI6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBOggILhCxAxCDAToICC4QgAQQsQM6BQgAEIAEOgsILhCABBDHARDRAzoFCC4QgARQAFj2gQFg3JUBaAJwAHgAgAGEAYgBhySSAQQyLjQwmAEAoAEB&sclient=gws-wiz https://www.google.com/search?q=impact+of+lockdown+on+childr...
  - dgfitz 5y ago
    Parents.
goalieca 5y ago
Lockdowns have known serious and long lasting effects.
epgui 5y ago
I think you seriously overestimate the overall harms of vaccines. I'm a life scientist, and I'd take the side effect profile & risks of the worst vaccine in the last 50 years over that of an Extra Strength Tylenol any day.

Daishiman 5y ago

That's how science works: when the facts become updated you update your decisions. Israel has been among the most science-driven governments in Covid policy. I'm not really sure why your "impression" should be mentioned given that you expressly state that you're not a specialist.

MichaelMoser123 5y ago
I have some difficulty with parsing this sentence: who should be asked for permission on what should be mentioned or not?
FridayoLeary 5y ago
I think you are sadly wrong. Corona policy in the early days quickly became inextricably enmeshed in political rivalries, electioneering and knee- jerk reactions. When you say "science driven" i think you really meant "stricter regulations". It is a fatal error to conflate the two.
- Daishiman 5y ago
  Yes, there's a lot of baggage left over with a lot of regulations that were made at the beginning and which don't make much sense now. It annoys me. It's not the end of the world, and much in the same way that we had vaccine passports and quarantines throughout history when diseases came and went, once we get over with this I trust we work to get rid of the baggage.
  - Mountain_Skies 5y ago
    Just like we got rid of the Patriot Act and all of its tag alongs?
    - Daishiman 5y ago
      No, just like how we had quarantines for people coming by ship in the 50s or how you have required vaccinations to enter certain countries on certain disease outbreaks and that has just been reduced drastrically as a lot of endemic diseases have been tamed.