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> They'll still make plenty of money. How much is "plenty" and who gets to decide? What if they live in high CoL area? You propose they should sponsor someone

> They'll still make plenty of money. How much is "plenty" and who gets to decide? What if they live in high CoL area? You propose they should sponsor someone else's leisure time instead of buying a house for their family, for example?

Dylan16807 5y ago
That's basically a normal tax question at that point.
- caskstrength 5y ago
  Well, yeah, this is exactly what I've been saying in this thread: Any realistic UBI program will be payed by taxes on middle class.
  - Dylan16807 5y ago
    So go use those arguments you already mentioned, about redistribution and buying houses, against current taxes. You can even use the same complaints about freeloaders. You made it sound like this caused new objections, rather than being one more bout of business as usual tax griping.
    - caskstrength 5y ago
      You seem to be upset with my arguments for some reason. However, if you read some other comments here and multitude of previous UBI-related discussions, you will see that there are a lot of people who (naively) assume that UBI will be somehow financed by taxes on corporations (from one of the comments: "Really, you'd just want to tax corporations over a certain size that are both highly automated (i.e. high revenue per employee), and have lopsided compensation structures (which could be measured by CEO to median worker pay)."). However, if you want to get a good approximation how modern politicians structure similar programs, then just look at California health care tax proposal (aka "Let's make healthcare free for ourselves and get tech-bros pay for it!").
      - Dylan16807 5y ago
        I'm not upset, I just think that particular argument doesn't support keeping the status quo. And because of that, I don't find it very convincing as an argument against making a change. And I would prefer not to get into the details of who gets taxed or how to optimally structure a tax today.

Dylan16807 5y ago

That's basically a normal tax question at that point.

caskstrength 5y ago
Well, yeah, this is exactly what I've been saying in this thread: Any realistic UBI program will be payed by taxes on middle class.
- Dylan16807 5y ago
  So go use those arguments you already mentioned, about redistribution and buying houses, against current taxes. You can even use the same complaints about freeloaders. You made it sound like this caused new objections, rather than being one more bout of business as usual tax griping.
  - caskstrength 5y ago
    You seem to be upset with my arguments for some reason. However, if you read some other comments here and multitude of previous UBI-related discussions, you will see that there are a lot of people who (naively) assume that UBI will be somehow financed by taxes on corporations (from one of the comments: "Really, you'd just want to tax corporations over a certain size that are both highly automated (i.e. high revenue per employee), and have lopsided compensation structures (which could be measured by CEO to median worker pay)."). However, if you want to get a good approximation how modern politicians structure similar programs, then just look at California health care tax proposal (aka "Let's make healthcare free for ourselves and get tech-bros pay for it!").
    - Dylan16807 5y ago
      I'm not upset, I just think that particular argument doesn't support keeping the status quo. And because of that, I don't find it very convincing as an argument against making a change. And I would prefer not to get into the details of who gets taxed or how to optimally structure a tax today.