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>More significantly, ideologies satisfy the needs of groups, individual needs being secondary. Marx and Mannheim recognized this, underlining the class basis of

>More significantly, ideologies satisfy the needs of groups, individual needs being secondary. Marx and Mannheim recognized this, underlining the class basis of ideology. I can't speak to Mannheim but aren't Marx's ideas about satisfying group AND individual needs? In that (simply) proles are oppressed the bourgeois and they eventually overthrow them to create a society of only one class. I don't think Marx ever imagined proles would group up behind Marxism to do something that was bad for them on an individual level, he thought enough of them would eventually realize that what was better for them as individuals was the same as what was better for them as a group and so they would do it. Anyways that's just a little specific nitpick but I think it gets at my broader problem with the piece, namely that Individualism is also an ideology, even if it's one that almost feels like air given how pervasive it is in society today. So to put an argument about 'ideology bad' while ignoring the one you're using to frame everything strikes me as a bit suspect.

Thlom 5y ago
As Žižek says, everything is ideology. Even shit.
acting-as-if 5y ago
(Regie:) 'Not wise nor gods these modern slaves.' 'Controlled, altered, razed... ferventness, limits...' ( um you may enter your possible addiction to individual-ism now ) > (One asking:) 'Somebody surrounding "content-less"?' (Critics:) [Trolling]: 'It Probably may have been an more aestethic approach to not say anything by now...' (-;
imtringued 5y ago
I still don't understand how Marx thought that the "rentier" would simply vanish into thin air by nationalizing everything. What if the "rentier" is in power? Isn't that game over? >he thought enough of them would eventually realize that what was better for them as individuals was the same as what was better for them as a group and so they would do it. Isn't that literally every ideology ever? Even authoritarian rulers that exploit their people think that exploitation is justified for the greater good.
- bitwize 5y ago
  In the Marxian revolution, the rentier wouldn't be in power. Representatives of the working class would be appointed to ensure that "democratic petty bourgeoisie" elected officials acted in the workers' best interest. If they did not... well, the workers would constitute an armed proletarian guard capable of implementing their demands by force if need be. Rentiers, if they be in power, would be driven out at gunpoint. Nationalizing is only a part of this process; it's not the whole story. The idea is to centralize everything under government control while holding control of the government -- always advancing toward the goal of abolishing private property.

Thlom 5y ago

As Žižek says, everything is ideology. Even shit.

acting-as-if 5y ago

(Regie:) 'Not wise nor gods these modern slaves.' 'Controlled, altered, razed... ferventness, limits...' ( um you may enter your possible addiction to individual-ism now ) > (One asking:) 'Somebody surrounding "content-less"?' (Critics:) [Trolling]: 'It Probably may have been an more aestethic approach to not say anything by now...' (-;

imtringued 5y ago

I still don't understand how Marx thought that the "rentier" would simply vanish into thin air by nationalizing everything. What if the "rentier" is in power? Isn't that game over? >he thought enough of them would eventually realize that what was better for them as individuals was the same as what was better for them as a group and so they would do it. Isn't that literally every ideology ever? Even authoritarian rulers that exploit their people think that exploitation is justified for the greater good.

bitwize 5y ago
In the Marxian revolution, the rentier wouldn't be in power. Representatives of the working class would be appointed to ensure that "democratic petty bourgeoisie" elected officials acted in the workers' best interest. If they did not... well, the workers would constitute an armed proletarian guard capable of implementing their demands by force if need be. Rentiers, if they be in power, would be driven out at gunpoint. Nationalizing is only a part of this process; it's not the whole story. The idea is to centralize everything under government control while holding control of the government -- always advancing toward the goal of abolishing private property.