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The article starts with a statistic (as opposed to anecdote): > These findings demonstrate that such cases and hospitalizations have occurred in New York State

The article starts with a statistic (as opposed to anecdote): > These findings demonstrate that such cases and hospitalizations have occurred in New York State, but at levels substantially lower than among unvaccinated people Of course, one could argue that New York State doesn't make a large scale statistic, but it's still far from being anecdata.

encryptluks2 5y ago
- mhh__ 5y ago
  Which studies?
  - encryptluks2 5y ago
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/news/statementsandletters/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveyearlyanalysisofcharacteristicsassociatedwiththeomicronvariantamongcovid19infectionsuk20december2021 https://www.ons.gov.uk/news/statementsandletters/coronavirus... "those who have received three doses of a vaccine and test positive for COVID-19 are more likely to be infected with infections compatible with the Omicron variant compared with those who are unvaccinated"
    - mhh__ 5y ago
      And when was it censored? I note that it says "It is too early to draw conclusions from our data on the effectiveness of vaccines against the Omicron variant." also. Does it mean more likely to get infected (given the same exposure) or more likely to be infected? The difference is quite important.
    - thanatosmin 5y ago
      “Note that this is the probability of an infection being Omicron given a person is infected, so it doesn’t tell us how likely a person is to test positive in the first place.”
    - manfredzab 5y ago
      You’re misinterpreting (unintentionally or otherwise) this statement. All this is saying is that P(Omicron variant | positive test AND 3x vaccine) > P(Omicron variant | positive test AND no vaccine). In no way this is implying P(Getting Omicron | 3x vaccine) > P(Getting Omicron | no vaccine).
    - jeffesp 5y ago
      You cut the sentence in the middle: "though individuals who had received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine continued to be less likely to test positive for COVID-19, regardless of variant." Which does not mean the unvaccinated are more likely to get omicron like you originally claimed. Just that if they are infected it is more likely to be omicron. Which means the vaccine is less effective against omicron than other variants, which we already know.
    - zach_miller 5y ago
      Feels like that’s more a statement about the efficacy of the vaccine against Delta vs Omicron. “…and test positive for COVID-19…” already narrows the groups down to only the positive cases, it’s not a statement about those groups’ relative sizes.
    - taeric 5y ago
      That... Is a different statement. It says that they are more likely to have a specific variant, given that they got infected. It did not say they are more likely to get infected. Right?
    - peteradio 5y ago
      When you are given priors you have to be very careful about what answer you are getting actually says. It says there are different viral profile in one group vs the other when we explicitly select for people with virus. Doesn't really tell us the detail involved of actually getting the virus.
    - donaldihunter 5y ago
      That para makes 2 more important points: "Vaccination status: those who have received three doses of a vaccine and test positive for COVID-19 are more likely to be infected with infections compatible with the Omicron variant compared with those who are unvaccinated, though individuals who had received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine continued to be less likely to test positive for COVID-19, regardless of variant. It is too early to draw conclusions from our data on the effectiveness of vaccines against the Omicron variant."
  - drno123 5y ago
    For example, check pages 30, 36 and 42 of the following report from Scotland: https://publichealthscotland.scot/media/11089/22-01-12-covid19-winter_publication_report.pdf https://publichealthscotland.scot/media/11089/22-01-12-covid...
    - drewg123 5y ago
      That's interesting. I wonder if most of the unvaccinated population has already been infected with an older variant of covid-19, and if that previous infection provides a more effective immune response than the vaccine for omicron?
      - drno123 5y ago
        Either that, or vaccinated people are behaving as if they are fully protected and do not take care, while unvaccinated are more cautious. Recent data from Denmark shows the similr outcomes.
- wand3r 5y ago
  Can you post one of these articles? What is the contention, people who are vaccinated are more likely to get omicron?
  - encryptluks2 5y ago
    Here is the Pfizer-CEO board member approved truth ministry version: https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-omicronvariant-breakthroughpro/fact-check-article-examining-the-probability-of-omicron-variant-breakthrough-cases-is-misinterpreted-online-idUSL1N2T81PO https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-omicronvariant-bre... Basically, statistics only matter when it shows what they want you to see, but when it says that triple vaxxed are 8% more likely to get Omicron than unvaxxed then you are drawing conclusions.
    - thanatosmin 5y ago
      “Note that this is the probability of an infection being Omicron given a person is infected, so it doesn’t tell us how likely a person is to test positive in the first place.”
    - deleted 5y ago
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    - wand3r 5y ago
      I dont really appreciate the conspiratorial or political framing, but I will contend that these results seem to support your claim.
    - rubyfan 5y ago
      It’s ironic that the article is about people using the study to spread misinformation about the results of the study. Social media users are misrepresenting these findings (on Omicron’s apparent ability to breakthrough vaccine protection) by saying those vaccinated are more susceptible to infection overall.
    - ttfkam 5y ago
      Did you read the whole article you linked? It doesn't say the vaccinated get Covid more often than unvaccinated. (They don't.) It doesn't say the vaccinated get Omicron more than unvaccinated. (They don't.) It merely says the vaccinated are infected by Omicron more than other variants like Delta. That's it. In other words, the vaccines are quite effective against Delta, but due to mutation, Omicron can slip past immunity a little easier. The vast majority of folks in hospitals and the morgues from Covid (Alpha, Delta, or Omicron) nowadays are unvaccinated.

encryptluks2 5y ago

mhh__ 5y ago
Which studies?
- encryptluks2 5y ago
  https://www.ons.gov.uk/news/statementsandletters/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveyearlyanalysisofcharacteristicsassociatedwiththeomicronvariantamongcovid19infectionsuk20december2021 https://www.ons.gov.uk/news/statementsandletters/coronavirus... "those who have received three doses of a vaccine and test positive for COVID-19 are more likely to be infected with infections compatible with the Omicron variant compared with those who are unvaccinated"
  - mhh__ 5y ago
    And when was it censored? I note that it says "It is too early to draw conclusions from our data on the effectiveness of vaccines against the Omicron variant." also. Does it mean more likely to get infected (given the same exposure) or more likely to be infected? The difference is quite important.
  - thanatosmin 5y ago
    “Note that this is the probability of an infection being Omicron given a person is infected, so it doesn’t tell us how likely a person is to test positive in the first place.”
  - manfredzab 5y ago
    You’re misinterpreting (unintentionally or otherwise) this statement. All this is saying is that P(Omicron variant | positive test AND 3x vaccine) > P(Omicron variant | positive test AND no vaccine). In no way this is implying P(Getting Omicron | 3x vaccine) > P(Getting Omicron | no vaccine).
  - jeffesp 5y ago
    You cut the sentence in the middle: "though individuals who had received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine continued to be less likely to test positive for COVID-19, regardless of variant." Which does not mean the unvaccinated are more likely to get omicron like you originally claimed. Just that if they are infected it is more likely to be omicron. Which means the vaccine is less effective against omicron than other variants, which we already know.
  - zach_miller 5y ago
    Feels like that’s more a statement about the efficacy of the vaccine against Delta vs Omicron. “…and test positive for COVID-19…” already narrows the groups down to only the positive cases, it’s not a statement about those groups’ relative sizes.
  - taeric 5y ago
    That... Is a different statement. It says that they are more likely to have a specific variant, given that they got infected. It did not say they are more likely to get infected. Right?
  - peteradio 5y ago
    When you are given priors you have to be very careful about what answer you are getting actually says. It says there are different viral profile in one group vs the other when we explicitly select for people with virus. Doesn't really tell us the detail involved of actually getting the virus.
  - donaldihunter 5y ago
    That para makes 2 more important points: "Vaccination status: those who have received three doses of a vaccine and test positive for COVID-19 are more likely to be infected with infections compatible with the Omicron variant compared with those who are unvaccinated, though individuals who had received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine continued to be less likely to test positive for COVID-19, regardless of variant. It is too early to draw conclusions from our data on the effectiveness of vaccines against the Omicron variant."
- drno123 5y ago
  For example, check pages 30, 36 and 42 of the following report from Scotland: https://publichealthscotland.scot/media/11089/22-01-12-covid19-winter_publication_report.pdf https://publichealthscotland.scot/media/11089/22-01-12-covid...
  - drewg123 5y ago
    That's interesting. I wonder if most of the unvaccinated population has already been infected with an older variant of covid-19, and if that previous infection provides a more effective immune response than the vaccine for omicron?
    - drno123 5y ago
      Either that, or vaccinated people are behaving as if they are fully protected and do not take care, while unvaccinated are more cautious. Recent data from Denmark shows the similr outcomes.
wand3r 5y ago
Can you post one of these articles? What is the contention, people who are vaccinated are more likely to get omicron?
- encryptluks2 5y ago
  Here is the Pfizer-CEO board member approved truth ministry version: https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-omicronvariant-breakthroughpro/fact-check-article-examining-the-probability-of-omicron-variant-breakthrough-cases-is-misinterpreted-online-idUSL1N2T81PO https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-omicronvariant-bre... Basically, statistics only matter when it shows what they want you to see, but when it says that triple vaxxed are 8% more likely to get Omicron than unvaxxed then you are drawing conclusions.
  - thanatosmin 5y ago
    “Note that this is the probability of an infection being Omicron given a person is infected, so it doesn’t tell us how likely a person is to test positive in the first place.”
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - wand3r 5y ago
    I dont really appreciate the conspiratorial or political framing, but I will contend that these results seem to support your claim.
  - rubyfan 5y ago
    It’s ironic that the article is about people using the study to spread misinformation about the results of the study. Social media users are misrepresenting these findings (on Omicron’s apparent ability to breakthrough vaccine protection) by saying those vaccinated are more susceptible to infection overall.
  - ttfkam 5y ago
    Did you read the whole article you linked? It doesn't say the vaccinated get Covid more often than unvaccinated. (They don't.) It doesn't say the vaccinated get Omicron more than unvaccinated. (They don't.) It merely says the vaccinated are infected by Omicron more than other variants like Delta. That's it. In other words, the vaccines are quite effective against Delta, but due to mutation, Omicron can slip past immunity a little easier. The vast majority of folks in hospitals and the morgues from Covid (Alpha, Delta, or Omicron) nowadays are unvaccinated.