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Your comment does't make any sense. You are saying that the Conservative party are making this huge change to distract from their current problems. Are you sayi

Your comment does't make any sense. You are saying that the Conservative party are making this huge change to distract from their current problems. Are you saying they created the entire plan in a few weeks? Do you have any evidence for your extraordinary claims?

Doctor_Fegg 5y ago
Have you not encountered the UK Conservative Party before? This is absolutely their modus operandi.
peregren 5y ago
You are giving this Conservative government far to much credit. Their entire track record in government is full of poorly thought out sweeping changes. (See the entire Brexit process)
- t6667877789789 5y ago
  You need to distinguish between the Conservative government (= Boris Johnson' Lying Circus) and the Conservative Party. The latter are not well pleased with the former.
johnday 5y ago
This is not the first occurrence of a scandal from this government; and it's not the first time that they have thrown out as many back-burner ideas as possible in the rush to replace the headlines with something more palatable. In a notable previous instance, the prime minister's wife announced her pregnancy in the hours following a scandal breaking. Months later, they announced the birth of the child shortly after another scandal broke out. Hence this fairly amusing parody tweet: https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson_MP/status/1480833995021692930 https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson_MP/status/14808339950216929...
pydry 5y ago
This change is more likely a threat to the BBC at a time when they furiously engaged in damage control. It can be rolled back if they "behave". Theyve been making variations of this threat for decades.
- samwillis 5y ago
  The thing is though, none of the leaks have been via the BBC, every single one is via an independent paper or channel - even traditionally right wing publications. The other angle of this is how much Boris and this government are in debt/the pocket of Murdoch and News Corp. Boris and senior government ministers met with Murdoch and News Copt executives 40 times in the first 14 months of Boris’s government. This is as much about raining the BBC in so that Murdoch can have more control of the media landscape in the UK. https://pressgazette.co.uk/rupert-murdochs-news-corp-met-ministers-40-times-in-first-14-months-of-johnson-government/ https://pressgazette.co.uk/rupert-murdochs-news-corp-met-min...
  - pydry 5y ago
    Murdoch's been crying about the BBC and the license fee for decades. They are no doubt aware that canceling the BBC would put them even more at his mercy, so in this instance I can see why they might not cave.
tristanperry 5y ago
That's what multiple newspapers including The Times are reporting, yes. Since Boris' job is on the line, he's apparently panicking and due to roll out a series of popularist policies next week.
- t6667877789789 5y ago
  Boris is finished, he probably won't last the week. It reminds me of the day when Thatcher fell. Leading Conservative MPs will be currently phoning each other trying to determine how much support they will get if they make a move. Someone who has no serious chance will be nominated as a 'stalking horse' to stand up and challenge Boris. Then the other stronger candidates will put themselves forward to 'save the name of the party'. That is how they do it.
  - dekhn 5y ago
    it's pretty impressive he survived every single previous controversy and even managed to get brexit through... if he's going to be felled by a badly timed and ill-advised party.
  - blibble 5y ago
    > Boris is finished, he probably won't last the week. I've lost track of how many times I've heard this over the past 3 years
  - M2Ys4U 5y ago
    >Someone who has no serious chance will be nominated as a 'stalking horse' to stand up and challenge Boris. Then the other stronger candidates will put themselves forward to 'save the name of the party'. That is how they do it. There doesn't need to be a stalking horse any more. Once 54 letters have been submitted to the 1922 Committee then a Vote of No Confidence is held amongst Tory MPs by secret ballot. If he loses then there's a leadership election. It used to be the case that a sitting leader had to be formally challenged (which was usually done by a stalking horse), but the rules were changed a long time ago and it's not necessary any more.
somehowadev 5y ago
This is relatively normal standard operating procedure for this Government. Throw out loads of policies at the exact moment something bad for the cabinet is starting to gain traction.
zimpenfish 5y ago
It's a perfect example of a "dead cat on the table."[1] Also, > Are you saying they created the entire plan in a few weeks? They frequently toss out new "plans" in response to news events, anger in the base, scandals, etc. which have -clearly- been thought up in a hurry as a distraction and will be silently forgotten / dumped when no longer needed as a news-based base-fury-whip. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_strategy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_strategy
jen20 5y ago
> Do you have any evidence for your extraordinary claims? Anyone who has ever interacted with politicians knows that “The Thick Of It” is a documentary, not a comedy. These are not extraordinary claims at all. Wouldn’t surprise me if Priti wrote the tweet on the toilet with an aide firing suggestions through the door before one stuck.
MattPalmer1086 5y ago
Plan?

Doctor_Fegg 5y ago

Have you not encountered the UK Conservative Party before? This is absolutely their modus operandi.

peregren 5y ago

You are giving this Conservative government far to much credit. Their entire track record in government is full of poorly thought out sweeping changes. (See the entire Brexit process)

t6667877789789 5y ago
You need to distinguish between the Conservative government (= Boris Johnson' Lying Circus) and the Conservative Party. The latter are not well pleased with the former.

johnday 5y ago

This is not the first occurrence of a scandal from this government; and it's not the first time that they have thrown out as many back-burner ideas as possible in the rush to replace the headlines with something more palatable. In a notable previous instance, the prime minister's wife announced her pregnancy in the hours following a scandal breaking. Months later, they announced the birth of the child shortly after another scandal broke out. Hence this fairly amusing parody tweet: https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson_MP/status/1480833995021692930 https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson_MP/status/14808339950216929...

pydry 5y ago

This change is more likely a threat to the BBC at a time when they furiously engaged in damage control. It can be rolled back if they "behave". Theyve been making variations of this threat for decades.

samwillis 5y ago
The thing is though, none of the leaks have been via the BBC, every single one is via an independent paper or channel - even traditionally right wing publications. The other angle of this is how much Boris and this government are in debt/the pocket of Murdoch and News Corp. Boris and senior government ministers met with Murdoch and News Copt executives 40 times in the first 14 months of Boris’s government. This is as much about raining the BBC in so that Murdoch can have more control of the media landscape in the UK. https://pressgazette.co.uk/rupert-murdochs-news-corp-met-ministers-40-times-in-first-14-months-of-johnson-government/ https://pressgazette.co.uk/rupert-murdochs-news-corp-met-min...
- pydry 5y ago
  Murdoch's been crying about the BBC and the license fee for decades. They are no doubt aware that canceling the BBC would put them even more at his mercy, so in this instance I can see why they might not cave.

tristanperry 5y ago

That's what multiple newspapers including The Times are reporting, yes. Since Boris' job is on the line, he's apparently panicking and due to roll out a series of popularist policies next week.

t6667877789789 5y ago
Boris is finished, he probably won't last the week. It reminds me of the day when Thatcher fell. Leading Conservative MPs will be currently phoning each other trying to determine how much support they will get if they make a move. Someone who has no serious chance will be nominated as a 'stalking horse' to stand up and challenge Boris. Then the other stronger candidates will put themselves forward to 'save the name of the party'. That is how they do it.
- dekhn 5y ago
  it's pretty impressive he survived every single previous controversy and even managed to get brexit through... if he's going to be felled by a badly timed and ill-advised party.
- blibble 5y ago
  > Boris is finished, he probably won't last the week. I've lost track of how many times I've heard this over the past 3 years
- M2Ys4U 5y ago
  >Someone who has no serious chance will be nominated as a 'stalking horse' to stand up and challenge Boris. Then the other stronger candidates will put themselves forward to 'save the name of the party'. That is how they do it. There doesn't need to be a stalking horse any more. Once 54 letters have been submitted to the 1922 Committee then a Vote of No Confidence is held amongst Tory MPs by secret ballot. If he loses then there's a leadership election. It used to be the case that a sitting leader had to be formally challenged (which was usually done by a stalking horse), but the rules were changed a long time ago and it's not necessary any more.

somehowadev 5y ago

This is relatively normal standard operating procedure for this Government. Throw out loads of policies at the exact moment something bad for the cabinet is starting to gain traction.

zimpenfish 5y ago

It's a perfect example of a "dead cat on the table."[1] Also, > Are you saying they created the entire plan in a few weeks? They frequently toss out new "plans" in response to news events, anger in the base, scandals, etc. which have -clearly- been thought up in a hurry as a distraction and will be silently forgotten / dumped when no longer needed as a news-based base-fury-whip. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_strategy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_strategy

jen20 5y ago

> Do you have any evidence for your extraordinary claims? Anyone who has ever interacted with politicians knows that “The Thick Of It” is a documentary, not a comedy. These are not extraordinary claims at all. Wouldn’t surprise me if Priti wrote the tweet on the toilet with an aide firing suggestions through the door before one stuck.

MattPalmer1086 5y ago

Plan?