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I have always paid all of my debts, including student loans. I think it is quite unfair that some will get off scot-free. What lesson does that teach?

syki 5y ago
Mathew 20:13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’ For student loan forgiveness the government is in the role of the landowner in this parable.
- nate_meurer 5y ago
  Pay close attention to verse 15. Who's money are we talking about here?
  - syki 5y ago
    As I said, the government plays the role of the landowner. Perhaps you have the mistaken belief that the money you pay in taxes is still your money and therefore you don’t believe the government can play the role of the landowner.
    - nate_meurer 5y ago
      > Perhaps you have the mistaken belief that the money you pay in taxes is still your money. More precisely, I'd say that the government's right to take our resources by force and redistribute them is constitutionally subject and subordinate to their obligation to represent our will as voters. Maybe that makes me a radical? I also wonder why, per your analogy, you think student debtors have some kind of employer-employee relationship with the state?
      - imtringued 5y ago
        You are extremely radical because you talked about resources. The government should absolutely tax limited resources to encourage efficiency and as little waste as possible. What the government should stay away from is taxing human work. There is absolutely no reason to do that.
      - syki 5y ago
        The government is owed money. It has the ability to forgive it. That is its prerogative (viewing it as a single entity). It can do with its money (or obligations of debt to it) as it sees fit. Just like the landowner in the parable is able to do pay whatever he wants to the workers he hired last. A long time ago I was on unemployment pay. It was a meager sum of money. I wasn’t upset that during the pandemic unemployment was quite generous.
    - tamaharbor 5y ago
      It would be wonderful if a generous individual wants to pay off someone’s student debt. However, the government shouldn’t force everyone to do it.
  - dTal 5y ago
    To focus on the landowner is to entirely miss the point. It's a parable about envy, not about free enterprise.
bzudo 5y ago
So did I. I don't want others to have to go through with it. The lesson will be others will have money to spend on other things that will be more beneficial to me in the long run.
- joijoijoij 5y ago
- tamaharbor 5y ago
  Are you saying a college degree isn’t worth anything? Or that you made a poor decision that someone else has to pay for?
jamjamjamjamjam 5y ago
The lesson here is some of us aren’t selfish. Ive paid all my debts, and I found it awful. I would rather a greater proportion of humans weren’t debt slaves
kelseyfrog 5y ago
This is an excellent argument that nothing should get better for anyone.
- joijoijoij 5y ago
imtringued 5y ago
If everyone did that we would have negative interest rates and from my experience economists aren't ready for a world that isn't enslaved through involuntary debt.

syki 5y ago

Mathew 20:13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’ For student loan forgiveness the government is in the role of the landowner in this parable.

nate_meurer 5y ago
Pay close attention to verse 15. Who's money are we talking about here?
- syki 5y ago
  As I said, the government plays the role of the landowner. Perhaps you have the mistaken belief that the money you pay in taxes is still your money and therefore you don’t believe the government can play the role of the landowner.
  - nate_meurer 5y ago
    > Perhaps you have the mistaken belief that the money you pay in taxes is still your money. More precisely, I'd say that the government's right to take our resources by force and redistribute them is constitutionally subject and subordinate to their obligation to represent our will as voters. Maybe that makes me a radical? I also wonder why, per your analogy, you think student debtors have some kind of employer-employee relationship with the state?
    - imtringued 5y ago
      You are extremely radical because you talked about resources. The government should absolutely tax limited resources to encourage efficiency and as little waste as possible. What the government should stay away from is taxing human work. There is absolutely no reason to do that.
    - syki 5y ago
      The government is owed money. It has the ability to forgive it. That is its prerogative (viewing it as a single entity). It can do with its money (or obligations of debt to it) as it sees fit. Just like the landowner in the parable is able to do pay whatever he wants to the workers he hired last. A long time ago I was on unemployment pay. It was a meager sum of money. I wasn’t upset that during the pandemic unemployment was quite generous.
  - tamaharbor 5y ago
    It would be wonderful if a generous individual wants to pay off someone’s student debt. However, the government shouldn’t force everyone to do it.
- dTal 5y ago
  To focus on the landowner is to entirely miss the point. It's a parable about envy, not about free enterprise.

bzudo 5y ago

So did I. I don't want others to have to go through with it. The lesson will be others will have money to spend on other things that will be more beneficial to me in the long run.

joijoijoij 5y ago
tamaharbor 5y ago
Are you saying a college degree isn’t worth anything? Or that you made a poor decision that someone else has to pay for?

jamjamjamjamjam 5y ago

The lesson here is some of us aren’t selfish. Ive paid all my debts, and I found it awful. I would rather a greater proportion of humans weren’t debt slaves

kelseyfrog 5y ago

This is an excellent argument that nothing should get better for anyone.

joijoijoij 5y ago

imtringued 5y ago

If everyone did that we would have negative interest rates and from my experience economists aren't ready for a world that isn't enslaved through involuntary debt.