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All very pretty I'm sure. But, at the end of the day, much though I enjoy twiddling with Linux and poking around different distros, I'm stuck with MacOS because

All very pretty I'm sure. But, at the end of the day, much though I enjoy twiddling with Linux and poking around different distros, I'm stuck with MacOS because [like a lot of folks who use MacOS for work reasons and not to be 'hipster cool'] I work in the design industry and that means the Adobe suite is a must. Linux has nothing that comes close. And the customary recommendations; The Gimp and Inkscape are so pitifully awful compared to Photoshop and Illustrator that I seriously doubt the people who suggest them are professional designers, who have to work with these packages, day in and day out. So, yeah, I'm all for Linux distros which try and lift some of the elegant design cues from MacOS. But, at the end of the day, the OS is just something I use to open / edit / save and move files around. It's not where I actually get my work done.

Shared404 5y ago
> And the customary recommendations; The Gimp and Inkscape are so pitifully awful compared to Photoshop and Illustrator that I seriously doubt the people who suggest them are professional designers, who have to work with these packages, day in and day out. Understandable. While I do think familiarity has some impact, I picked up photoshop for the first time much faster than The Gimp, Inkscape was closer but Illustrator was still faster. For my purposes, running Linux+FL/OSS is worthwhile as a hobbyist however. I'm curious if you've tried Krita, and if so what your experience was? I found it much much much more intuitive than The Gimp.
- Normille 5y ago
  I've tried Krita and found it quite impressively polished [dare I say 'for a Linux graphics app']. However I'd see it as more of a replacement for something like Painter or Manga Studio than Photoshop or Illustrator
themodelplumber 5y ago
Back about a decade ago when I was doing similar work that required Adobe tools, I used Virtualbox and really enjoyed the compromise. The desktop flexibility of XFCE was enough reason for me at the time, being kind of tired of all the third party commercial tools I was using for the same conveniences in Mac OS that didn't work as well. Turns out I also wanted to play with my work more, and I ended up writing scripts to do a lot of the work I thought I would use Adobe for. It was also pretty funny to start getting "share flowchart template pls" requests from my colleague who used InDesign, when I had created the flowcharts in LibreOffice and Inkscape. So IDK, tools and results are one thing, but fun new processes are often fun and also end up getting results that were worth it in different ways.
stjohnswarts 5y ago
I think these articles are meant for casual users and programmer, which greatly outnumber desktop publishing/artistic users. No one has claimed with a straight face that gimp will let you replace photoshop overnight.
- Shared404 5y ago
  > No one has claimed with a straight face that gimp will let you replace photoshop overnight. Eh, high school me is sitting somewhere in the background sheepishly right now. High school me was not the most intelligent guy.
  - Aeolun 5y ago
    I think for highschool you it probably was a 100% replacement for everything you ever did with Photoshop.
    - Shared404 5y ago
      I actually did take photography and use Photoshop pretty extensively.
- pizza234 5y ago
  > No one has claimed with a straight face that gimp will let you replace photoshop overnight. Sure there is: [Switch from Photoshop to Gimp: Tips From a Pro](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7480806 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7480806). The author of the article above plays on the ambiguity between hobbyist and professional: > I stopped using Adobe Photoshop and switched to GIMP for all my personal photography projects. This wasn’t the impossible task that most people believe it is. > I spend about 90% of my time in Lightroom and only 10% in Photoshop. This is the same for many other professionals But closes the argument with: > For the reduced role that Photoshop now plays in many photographers’ workflows, GIMP is surprisingly capable. People who work "day in and day out" with a product, are typically a minority on those discussions. Here's another: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7485643 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7485643 - the opinion is clearcut like the parent's (ie. no way GIMP can replace Photoshop). On the other hand, there certainly is a range on the spectrum where people can reasonably use GIMP. But at the very least, the idea of "GIMP can replace Photoshop" should be qualified precisely by the use case.
mackrevinack 5y ago
does photoshop have a command palette yet that lets you search for commands? that's one feature i really like about gimp, being able to press the / key and then search for levels, blur, invert, rotate image etc etc its especially useful for stuff that you would normally have to spend a minute or two going through the menus trying to find. apart from that though i have to admit its hard getting used to gimp but i haven't really put the same effort into learning it as i did with photoshop so its too soon to tell

Shared404 5y ago

> And the customary recommendations; The Gimp and Inkscape are so pitifully awful compared to Photoshop and Illustrator that I seriously doubt the people who suggest them are professional designers, who have to work with these packages, day in and day out. Understandable. While I do think familiarity has some impact, I picked up photoshop for the first time much faster than The Gimp, Inkscape was closer but Illustrator was still faster. For my purposes, running Linux+FL/OSS is worthwhile as a hobbyist however. I'm curious if you've tried Krita, and if so what your experience was? I found it much much much more intuitive than The Gimp.

Normille 5y ago
I've tried Krita and found it quite impressively polished [dare I say 'for a Linux graphics app']. However I'd see it as more of a replacement for something like Painter or Manga Studio than Photoshop or Illustrator

themodelplumber 5y ago

Back about a decade ago when I was doing similar work that required Adobe tools, I used Virtualbox and really enjoyed the compromise. The desktop flexibility of XFCE was enough reason for me at the time, being kind of tired of all the third party commercial tools I was using for the same conveniences in Mac OS that didn't work as well. Turns out I also wanted to play with my work more, and I ended up writing scripts to do a lot of the work I thought I would use Adobe for. It was also pretty funny to start getting "share flowchart template pls" requests from my colleague who used InDesign, when I had created the flowcharts in LibreOffice and Inkscape. So IDK, tools and results are one thing, but fun new processes are often fun and also end up getting results that were worth it in different ways.

stjohnswarts 5y ago

I think these articles are meant for casual users and programmer, which greatly outnumber desktop publishing/artistic users. No one has claimed with a straight face that gimp will let you replace photoshop overnight.

Shared404 5y ago
> No one has claimed with a straight face that gimp will let you replace photoshop overnight. Eh, high school me is sitting somewhere in the background sheepishly right now. High school me was not the most intelligent guy.
- Aeolun 5y ago
  I think for highschool you it probably was a 100% replacement for everything you ever did with Photoshop.
  - Shared404 5y ago
    I actually did take photography and use Photoshop pretty extensively.
pizza234 5y ago
> No one has claimed with a straight face that gimp will let you replace photoshop overnight. Sure there is: [Switch from Photoshop to Gimp: Tips From a Pro](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7480806 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7480806). The author of the article above plays on the ambiguity between hobbyist and professional: > I stopped using Adobe Photoshop and switched to GIMP for all my personal photography projects. This wasn’t the impossible task that most people believe it is. > I spend about 90% of my time in Lightroom and only 10% in Photoshop. This is the same for many other professionals But closes the argument with: > For the reduced role that Photoshop now plays in many photographers’ workflows, GIMP is surprisingly capable. People who work "day in and day out" with a product, are typically a minority on those discussions. Here's another: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7485643 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7485643 - the opinion is clearcut like the parent's (ie. no way GIMP can replace Photoshop). On the other hand, there certainly is a range on the spectrum where people can reasonably use GIMP. But at the very least, the idea of "GIMP can replace Photoshop" should be qualified precisely by the use case.

mackrevinack 5y ago

does photoshop have a command palette yet that lets you search for commands? that's one feature i really like about gimp, being able to press the / key and then search for levels, blur, invert, rotate image etc etc its especially useful for stuff that you would normally have to spend a minute or two going through the menus trying to find. apart from that though i have to admit its hard getting used to gimp but i haven't really put the same effort into learning it as i did with photoshop so its too soon to tell