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yeah, this is within Tesla's normal QC parameters. they've had roofs fall off, they've had cars catch fire while parked, they even had a car which caught fire w

yeah, this is within Tesla's normal QC parameters. they've had roofs fall off, they've had cars catch fire while parked, they even had a car which caught fire while self-driving in the middle of the night with nobody in it. just goofy bullshit. the discussion in this thread will end up on Elon sooner or later, but the thing to realize is that Tesla the company needs it that way. electric vehicles will definitely replace the ICE, but Tesla's not going to be Google when that happens. it'll be Alta Vista or even Minitel. buying one of these cars is just a much bigger QC gamble than it shoild be.

solarkraft 5y ago
Actually the Google comparison fits quite well. They also frequently deliver sub-par software while still having an over-all hard to beat ecosystem.
ajross 5y ago
> they even had a car which caught fire while self-driving in the middle of the night with nobody in it. You realize that turned out to be a stunt, right? The car was a brand new plaid owned by a hedge fund manager who turned out to be heavily short TSLA. It was seized by his lawyers and never inspected for what the fault might have been. And the "driving itself on fire" story changed several times over the first 24 hours. One of the weirdest things about buying one of these things and suddenly finding myself in the culture/counterculture war over the brand is how suspect so much of the coverage is.
- FireBeyond 5y ago
  Most of the coverage is from Whole Mars. So if you're going to call out some hedge fund manager as being "short Tesla", with the implication of ulterior motives, then it's equally worth mentioning that Whole Mars is extremely bearish, unapologetically very pro-Tesla cheerleading, too.
  - ajross 5y ago
    Here's some post-hoc coverage of the controversy: https://cleantechnica.com/2021/07/04/more-details-about-tesla-model-s-plaid-fire-lead-to-more-questions/ https://cleantechnica.com/2021/07/04/more-details-about-tesl... Make your own decisions. But (especially since it happened just weeks after the refreshed S's started shipping and that we haven't heard squat in the six months since) that just smells off to me. Certainly it wasn't "driving itself around on fire", no further report on the fire exists (contra the Texas crash where the NTSB had lots of interesting things to say) and all the actual witnesses went silent (we don't even have confirmation of who was driving!)... Just be realistic. It's almost certainly a setup. Something very similar happened when FSD beta was released. Not two weeks in the NHTSA had a weird-sounding report leaked to the media claiming behavior (that the steering couldn't be overpowered) that the hardware can't produce. Then the next release, we all had an annoying waiver where we had to allow Tesla to save and upload non-anonymized data for any safety-related incidents. And... no more weird reports! This company just drives people completely bananas, and I genuinely don't know why. The actual cars are fantastic.
FireBeyond 5y ago
Windshields that have no adhesive or anything actually holding them to the car, cars which shake uncontrollably between 35-40mph... you name it.
- tessierashpool 5y ago
  $22K to replace the batteries, so the guy had some YouTubers blow the car up instead

solarkraft 5y ago

Actually the Google comparison fits quite well. They also frequently deliver sub-par software while still having an over-all hard to beat ecosystem.

ajross 5y ago

> they even had a car which caught fire while self-driving in the middle of the night with nobody in it. You realize that turned out to be a stunt, right? The car was a brand new plaid owned by a hedge fund manager who turned out to be heavily short TSLA. It was seized by his lawyers and never inspected for what the fault might have been. And the "driving itself on fire" story changed several times over the first 24 hours. One of the weirdest things about buying one of these things and suddenly finding myself in the culture/counterculture war over the brand is how suspect so much of the coverage is.

FireBeyond 5y ago
Most of the coverage is from Whole Mars. So if you're going to call out some hedge fund manager as being "short Tesla", with the implication of ulterior motives, then it's equally worth mentioning that Whole Mars is extremely bearish, unapologetically very pro-Tesla cheerleading, too.
- ajross 5y ago
  Here's some post-hoc coverage of the controversy: https://cleantechnica.com/2021/07/04/more-details-about-tesla-model-s-plaid-fire-lead-to-more-questions/ https://cleantechnica.com/2021/07/04/more-details-about-tesl... Make your own decisions. But (especially since it happened just weeks after the refreshed S's started shipping and that we haven't heard squat in the six months since) that just smells off to me. Certainly it wasn't "driving itself around on fire", no further report on the fire exists (contra the Texas crash where the NTSB had lots of interesting things to say) and all the actual witnesses went silent (we don't even have confirmation of who was driving!)... Just be realistic. It's almost certainly a setup. Something very similar happened when FSD beta was released. Not two weeks in the NHTSA had a weird-sounding report leaked to the media claiming behavior (that the steering couldn't be overpowered) that the hardware can't produce. Then the next release, we all had an annoying waiver where we had to allow Tesla to save and upload non-anonymized data for any safety-related incidents. And... no more weird reports! This company just drives people completely bananas, and I genuinely don't know why. The actual cars are fantastic.

FireBeyond 5y ago

Windshields that have no adhesive or anything actually holding them to the car, cars which shake uncontrollably between 35-40mph... you name it.

tessierashpool 5y ago
$22K to replace the batteries, so the guy had some YouTubers blow the car up instead