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That's definitely valuable context, but it kinda seems like it just shifts the criticism to German state governments. Why are they using this centralized app wi

That's definitely valuable context, but it kinda seems like it just shifts the criticism to German state governments. Why are they using this centralized app with privacy issues if there was a perfectly good decentralized one they could have used?

Tainnor 5y ago
Yes it does, and the German state governments have made very questionable decisions here. I'm arguing against the misguided notion that this is being dismissed as conspiracy theory, which it absolutely is not. Luca has been controversial since the beginning. The reason why a centralised solution was chosen is quite simple to see, though: In the centralised system, the health agency knows who to contact when they might have been infected and could in theory force these people to do a test or into quarantine (in practice, they usually don't have enough personnel to do so, though...). With the decentralised system, every person can get a notification when they could have been exposed. Whether or not they act upon that notification is up to them. In the end, I don't think the privacy nightmare is worth it (especially given that health departments are understaffed), but I can see how other actors could come to a different conclusion without it having to be a conscious decision to collect a ton of data for other purposes.
eqvinox 5y ago
They basically fell for an opportunist gold digger with a PR department. The driving factor has literally been a rapper, this dude: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smudo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smudo (… I wish I was joking. I'm not.) [ed.] just to be clear: that absolutely does not excuse the states' decisions. While it might be understandable that someone can drive social and media discourse with some luck and prior experience, it's the states' job to do their due diligence and not base their decisions on empty PR.
throw827474737 5y ago
The state one was a little late with features (as always, nevertheless, now has all we need) and a famous pop star lobbied around like crazy in talkshows and on politicians (he is financially invested in that stupid luca app). How it goes as usually. Just wanted to also leave this here: https://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2021/luca-app-ccc-fordert-bundesnotbremse https://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2021/luca-app-ccc-fordert-bund... "The Chaos Computer Club (CCC) demands an immediate end to states' alimentation of Smudo's million-dollar tax grab "Luca app." and also as always, predicted the illegal data grab, but noone ever listens..
hidudeurcool 5y ago

Tainnor 5y ago

Yes it does, and the German state governments have made very questionable decisions here. I'm arguing against the misguided notion that this is being dismissed as conspiracy theory, which it absolutely is not. Luca has been controversial since the beginning. The reason why a centralised solution was chosen is quite simple to see, though: In the centralised system, the health agency knows who to contact when they might have been infected and could in theory force these people to do a test or into quarantine (in practice, they usually don't have enough personnel to do so, though...). With the decentralised system, every person can get a notification when they could have been exposed. Whether or not they act upon that notification is up to them. In the end, I don't think the privacy nightmare is worth it (especially given that health departments are understaffed), but I can see how other actors could come to a different conclusion without it having to be a conscious decision to collect a ton of data for other purposes.

eqvinox 5y ago

They basically fell for an opportunist gold digger with a PR department. The driving factor has literally been a rapper, this dude: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smudo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smudo (… I wish I was joking. I'm not.) [ed.] just to be clear: that absolutely does not excuse the states' decisions. While it might be understandable that someone can drive social and media discourse with some luck and prior experience, it's the states' job to do their due diligence and not base their decisions on empty PR.

throw827474737 5y ago

The state one was a little late with features (as always, nevertheless, now has all we need) and a famous pop star lobbied around like crazy in talkshows and on politicians (he is financially invested in that stupid luca app). How it goes as usually. Just wanted to also leave this here: https://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2021/luca-app-ccc-fordert-bundesnotbremse https://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2021/luca-app-ccc-fordert-bund... "The Chaos Computer Club (CCC) demands an immediate end to states' alimentation of Smudo's million-dollar tax grab "Luca app." and also as always, predicted the illegal data grab, but noone ever listens..

hidudeurcool 5y ago