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> ...Apple complied with the law... This is the only part that matters here. Doesn't matter how narrowly the law was complied with. Laws are the purview of l

> ...Apple complied with the law... This is the only part that matters here. Doesn't matter how narrowly the law was complied with. Laws are the purview of lawmakers. If the lawmakers leave loopholes in their legislation all companies that can will avail themselves of these loopholes. Blame the legislators. Those assholes left barn-door sized loopholes in their legal requirements for Apple's compliance.

solarkraft 5y ago
You can be pretty sure that Apple lobbied hard to leave these holes. The legislators are happy they can tell their voters they finally did something and that they found a compromise. It's a bit on us, the public, to not accept those alibi-type compromises.
- Maarten88 5y ago
  I think Apple does not hold much sway over lawmakers here in the Netherlands. US tech companies are not very popular in general, and politicians are not corrupt for the most part. Many laws originate in Brussels. Incompetence/cluelessness and lack of resources around tech is the bigger problem here.
Maarten88 5y ago
> Blame the legislators. Those assholes left barn-door sized loopholes in their legal requirements for Apple's compliance. Well that remains to be seen. The court just applied existing law for this specific conflict. Apple was found not complying, which is why the court issued this ruling. After implementing this narrow change they probably still do not comply. It would surprise me if dating apps would somehow be legally different from any other app. Apple is just stalling here. The next court case is going to cost money in addition to broadening the requirements on Apple, I think.
saagarjha 5y ago
I think they did a rather good job and personally expected almost exactly this outcome given Apple’s position, to be honest. I was concerned that we’d get some sort of weird “you’re making these rules about us but we actually follow the rules” that they did elsewhere that was a real headscratcher.
HWR_14 5y ago
I'm not sure it makes sense to blame legislators for loopholes. Bugs exist all the time in a variety of products. And few have to withstand the scrutiny of trillion dollar companies paying experts to pour over every aspect to find them.
- Y-bar 5y ago
  I wonder if Apple restricting this to Netherlands only complies with the EU Digital Single Market: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Single_Market https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Single_Market > The Geo-blocking regulation adopted by the EU in February 2018 prohibits any attempt to restrict consumers access to goods and services on e-commerce websites on the basis of their nationality or country of residence and establishment.[31]

solarkraft 5y ago

You can be pretty sure that Apple lobbied hard to leave these holes. The legislators are happy they can tell their voters they finally did something and that they found a compromise. It's a bit on us, the public, to not accept those alibi-type compromises.

Maarten88 5y ago
I think Apple does not hold much sway over lawmakers here in the Netherlands. US tech companies are not very popular in general, and politicians are not corrupt for the most part. Many laws originate in Brussels. Incompetence/cluelessness and lack of resources around tech is the bigger problem here.

Maarten88 5y ago

> Blame the legislators. Those assholes left barn-door sized loopholes in their legal requirements for Apple's compliance. Well that remains to be seen. The court just applied existing law for this specific conflict. Apple was found not complying, which is why the court issued this ruling. After implementing this narrow change they probably still do not comply. It would surprise me if dating apps would somehow be legally different from any other app. Apple is just stalling here. The next court case is going to cost money in addition to broadening the requirements on Apple, I think.

saagarjha 5y ago

I think they did a rather good job and personally expected almost exactly this outcome given Apple’s position, to be honest. I was concerned that we’d get some sort of weird “you’re making these rules about us but we actually follow the rules” that they did elsewhere that was a real headscratcher.

HWR_14 5y ago

I'm not sure it makes sense to blame legislators for loopholes. Bugs exist all the time in a variety of products. And few have to withstand the scrutiny of trillion dollar companies paying experts to pour over every aspect to find them.

Y-bar 5y ago
I wonder if Apple restricting this to Netherlands only complies with the EU Digital Single Market: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Single_Market https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Single_Market > The Geo-blocking regulation adopted by the EU in February 2018 prohibits any attempt to restrict consumers access to goods and services on e-commerce websites on the basis of their nationality or country of residence and establishment.[31]