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To be fair to the managers, from my experience managers themselves have little to say and it is mostly HR that determines rules like compensation. In our case,

by spockz 5y ago

To be fair to the managers, from my experience managers themselves have little to say and it is mostly HR that determines rules like compensation. In our case, insanely, salaries are frozen. Nothing that your direct manager can do about it. Except, leave, and get hired the next day.

everfrustrated 5y ago
There's an exception for every rule. As a manager I've fought HR to get pay rises during pay freezes. And won. Bad managers roll over when presented with obstacles, great ones fight for their team.
- zo1 5y ago
  Pushy, bossy, extroverted, or "people person" managers do that. The whole thing is stacked against docile introverts, no matter how many reasoned and well thought out arguments they make.
- alex_anglin 5y ago
  The great ones also realize that there are other things employees value and build upon those, along with compensation.
  - mindslight 5y ago
    The great ones also just leave themselves, rather than suffering the toxic culture on two fronts.
    - wonderwonder 5y ago
      I think this is an often missed point. The managers are often just as overworked as the employees but have to handle negativity from 2 directions, both their employees and their managers. They are just people and often their hands are tied due to company policy. They are often just cogs in the wheel as much as we are.
xenihn 5y ago
This is a fair point. It seems like standard policy at lots of places is to not budge significantly on comp unless a Valued Employee is prepared to leave. You then end up with one of the three scenarios: - the employee leaves anyways, since it's too late to change their mind - the employee stays, but there's a loss of trust and loyalty - the employee never planned to leave in the first place, and exploited your broken system Valued Employees should be rewarded preemptively.
- wonderwonder 5y ago
  Willing to be there is a study that shows that most of the time the employee will not leave or is bluffing and that financial analysis shows its better to just let it play out. This analysis is probably true in a lot of industries but tends to not work so well in tech. So many tech workers are just mercenary with our jobs that we just ask for what we want and by the time we ask we are already out the door. In tech the business should realize their job is to actively work to keep employees from seeking competing offers especially in the current job market.

by spockz 5y ago

everfrustrated 5y ago

There's an exception for every rule. As a manager I've fought HR to get pay rises during pay freezes. And won. Bad managers roll over when presented with obstacles, great ones fight for their team.

zo1 5y ago
Pushy, bossy, extroverted, or "people person" managers do that. The whole thing is stacked against docile introverts, no matter how many reasoned and well thought out arguments they make.
alex_anglin 5y ago
The great ones also realize that there are other things employees value and build upon those, along with compensation.
- mindslight 5y ago
  The great ones also just leave themselves, rather than suffering the toxic culture on two fronts.
  - wonderwonder 5y ago
    I think this is an often missed point. The managers are often just as overworked as the employees but have to handle negativity from 2 directions, both their employees and their managers. They are just people and often their hands are tied due to company policy. They are often just cogs in the wheel as much as we are.

xenihn 5y ago

This is a fair point. It seems like standard policy at lots of places is to not budge significantly on comp unless a Valued Employee is prepared to leave. You then end up with one of the three scenarios: - the employee leaves anyways, since it's too late to change their mind - the employee stays, but there's a loss of trust and loyalty - the employee never planned to leave in the first place, and exploited your broken system Valued Employees should be rewarded preemptively.

wonderwonder 5y ago
Willing to be there is a study that shows that most of the time the employee will not leave or is bluffing and that financial analysis shows its better to just let it play out. This analysis is probably true in a lot of industries but tends to not work so well in tech. So many tech workers are just mercenary with our jobs that we just ask for what we want and by the time we ask we are already out the door. In tech the business should realize their job is to actively work to keep employees from seeking competing offers especially in the current job market.