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The article says that 14 and 17 year old are pedophilia, which is a range that is not widely considered pedophilia but underage, being only punished if there wa

The article says that 14 and 17 year old are pedophilia, which is a range that is not widely considered pedophilia but underage, being only punished if there was intent for exploitation. Pedophilia is heinous because it takes advantage of people(children) who are not yet able defend against exploitation. It would be on the same level of rape, but with even worse circumstances due to general helplessness by the child. The age of consent in most of the world is averaging 16 but can go down all the way to 14 in, you guessed where: Germany. Only India, US and a bunch of African countries had 18 or higher as age of consent. Even Ireland has 17. A sensationalist article. How can impregnating a 17 year old in the beginning of the XX century be considered pedophilia is beyond my understanding. It also has the negative effects of diluting the evilness of a terrible thing, into something that is not so outlandish. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent

eesmith 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Schr%C3%B6dinger#Pedophilia_and_sexual_abuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Schr%C3%B6dinger#Pedophi... > Schrödinger repeatedly sexually abused young women.[42][43][44][45] "The poor things," Schrödinger wrote about the young women and girls he had sexually abused. "They have given me the moments of happiness in my life and themselves the sorrow. Such is life."[verification needed] Schrödinger recorded his sexual "conquests" in a diary he called "Ephemeridae" (mayflies).[citation needed] He justified his preference for young girls by saying that their innocence was the ideal counterpart to his natural genius The Futurism piece links to https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/how-erwin-schr%C3%B6dinger-indulged-his-lolita-complex-in-ireland-1.4749204 https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/how-erwin-s... which starts: > How Erwin Schrödinger indulged his ‘Lolita complex’ in Ireland / Nobel Prize-winning physicist, who spent 17 years in Ireland, was a serial groomer of girls I don't have an account to read it.
- bavell 5y ago
  Not sure what to think but I went and briefly checked all the references cited in that paragraph... and they were all written within the last few months, most of them news articles from the past week or two. Curious...
  - eesmith 5y ago
    Because it's newly published. The https://taz.de/Missbrauch-und-Missachtung/!5823374/ https://taz.de/Missbrauch-und-Missachtung/!5823374/ links, according to Google Translate at https://taz-de.translate.goog/Missbrauch-und-Missachtung/!5823374/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=sv&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://taz-de.translate.goog/Missbrauch-und-Missachtung/!58... says: > That he was a parthenophile and abusive of girls is absent from most biographies . While his biographers Walter Moore and John Gribbin mention it in their books on Schrödinger, it has been largely ignored. Wikipedia has no reference whatsoever: "Schrödinger and his wife Annie lived in an open relationship - Schrödinger openly had extramarital relationships, for example with the wife of his colleague and friend Arthur March," it says there only. and mentions: > Barbara, whose married name was McEntee, died in 1995. Her family only found out about Schrödinger's unwanted attention long after her death. "The subject never came up with my mother, as you can imagine," says her son, Bernard Biggar. He had come across Moore's biography while following a cross-reference to his great-uncle de Brún. In September, after reading an article in the Irish Times about an official cycle route that follows Schrödinger's footsteps through ten stops in Dublin, he asked author Joe Humphreys why he hadn't mentioned Schrödinger's parthenophilia. That was a mistake, Humphreys admitted three weeks ago: "The evidence was obvious," he wrote. "Schrödinger was a serial abuser."
- ptsneves 5y ago
  Good catch, problem is what are the citations: [42] https://taz.de/Missbrauch-und-Missachtung/!5823374/ https://taz.de/Missbrauch-und-Missachtung/!5823374/ [43] Joe Humphreys (11 December 2021). "How Erwin Schrödinger indulged his 'Lolita complex' in Ireland". The Irish Times. [44] staff (January 2022). "Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile". Futurism. Retrieved 14 January 2022. [45] Johnson, Lacy M. (2 August 2021). "Chanda Prescod-Weinstein: "I'm one part of the universe, trying to figure out another part of the universe."". Guernica Magazine. Retrieved 14 January 2021. [42] An article referring to the Irish times article. [43] is the Irish times original article i called sensationalist, due to the conflation of 14 to 17 sexual affairs being called pedophilie. [44] Is the a re-quote of the article of [43] [45] Is an interview with a third party account with the following to say: " I can’t remember exactly how he says it, but it’s something like “an unusual interest in pre-teenage girls,” which is new information for me. Literally, 90 percent of the work that I do right now is using the nonlinear Schrödinger-Poisson equation.? " . What’s interesting to me about this is nobody’s going to write about Rovelli’s book and call it a memoir unless that’s what I decide to say in my review. Nobody’s going to call it a biography of Schrödinger. I might say it’s a biography of quantum mechanics, but nobody’s going to say it’s a biography of a person, nobody’s going to say it’s a memoir, nobody’s going to say it’s an autobiography, none of that."
  - eesmith 5y ago
    Yes, many of them go back to the same primary source. But the [42] you mention seems entirely on point, eg, with 'That was a mistake, Humphreys admitted three weeks ago: "The evidence was obvious," he wrote. "Schrödinger was a serial abuser." ' That's certainly enough to suspect that this is not meant to interpret a cultural difference in the age of consent as pedophilia, but is actually the "the evilness of a terrible thing" you opposed. I don't know why you thought it was more likely the former.
    - ptsneves 5y ago
      The original article Irish Times articles is not even available without a paywall, yet it is quoted by the topic of this argument without further evidence. Great claims require, great evidence, especially on such a delicate topic. If a household scientific name will be judged as pedophile, so be it! But please, get historians and primary source evidence; not a newspaper article behind a paywal. The sentence you quote is from Joe Humphreys[1] a journalist for the Irish Times itself. I could not find any biography or peer reviews work on Schrodinger by him[1]. Again it is not about whether it is not true or not. The whole article makes a lot of claims which touch very sensitive topics that should be accurately and precisely described with at least mention of original sources or authorities. Unfortunately it seems we have Joe Humphreys' word :( https://joehumphreys.com/about/ https://joehumphreys.com/about/
bryanlarsen 5y ago
The article mentions one girl was 12.
Mystlix 5y ago
The problem is that people still can't detach age of consent from pedophilia. Being a pedophile is about being attracted to kids, meaning you get aroused from the bodily characteristics of prepubescent people. If you are attracted to a 13yo that looks like a 18yo then you aren't a pedophile, but if you are attracted to a 13yo who looks like a 13yo you might very well be. Having said that, you still should be banned from interacting sexually with such young people because of the extremely imbalanced power dynamic that can arise, plus the fact that we rightfully consider children of such age still not able to decide for themselves. All pedophiles break the age of consent, but not everyone who brakes the age of consent is a pedophile.
- awillen 5y ago
  You're right up until your last sentence, which is totally wrong and illustrates another important thing people misunderstand - there is a difference between a pedophile and child molester. The age of consent is about consenting to sexual activity. A pedophile is someone who feels attraction. If you're a pedophile, that is, you feel attraction to young children, but you seek out treatment and never act on it, then you're not a child molester and haven't broken the age of consent. It's an important difference, because pedophilia is a mental illness, but because people think of pedophiles and actual child molesters as one in the same, pedophiles are often discouraged from seeking out treatment. We should acknowledge that feelings of attraction to children are beyond one's control, like the urges of an alcoholic to drink. Given that, we should celebrate alcoholics who recognize that they have a problem, seek out treatment, and stop drinking. They are fighting a difficult battle against a condition they did not ask for. The same with pedophiles - those who seek out treatment and do not harm children should be applauded, not shunned. Important and relevant: https://www.vice.com/en/article/j5y8zy/the-men-who-call-themselves-non-offending-pedophiles https://www.vice.com/en/article/j5y8zy/the-men-who-call-them...
  - Mystlix 5y ago
    You got me there on that technicality, but since I already defined at the beginning of my post that being a pedohpile is only about arousal I think it was clear that the last sentence referred to pedophiles who actually enact on their desires. But if we want to be pedantic, a child molester can also not be a pedophile since you can have sex with people that you don't actually feel attracted to.
strikelaserclaw 5y ago
article says he also went after a 12 year old.
beepbooptheory 5y ago
There would maybe something valuable in your response here, but the fact that it doesn't speak to all the details of the article kinda makes it seem a little kneejerk; it "protests too much". And the fact you even have that reflex is probably something to work on with such sensitive matters. At the very least, realize it makes you look really bad dude.
vintermann 5y ago
He was also that girl's tutor, which would have made it an abuse of power even if she was older. No, I agree that this was clearly child abuse. The real stinker in this article is using real abuse to legitimize the swipe at James Webb on the end. The real culture war payload. (James Webb was falsely accused of doing anti-gay purges based on a misattributed quote, but from this article you'd think he was a pedophile too).
_moof 5y ago
Why is there always someone eager to demonstrate a weirdly expansive knowledge of ages of consent?
- afiori 5y ago
  because cultural imperialism irritates people
- happytoexplain 5y ago
  Sometimes it's for suspicious reasons, but sometimes the focus on legal age of consent is just a misguided reaction to the opposite irrationality. Generally this topic perhaps more than any other suffers from semantic ambiguity, due to an unwillingness to put a lot of thought into it and bad faith arguments, which both stem from how incredibly uncomfortable and emotional the real consequences surrounding the topic are. Examples of distinctions that are usually not made clear in contexts where they should be: - Abuse vs pedophilia. - Colloquial vs objective definitions of pedophilia. - Legal vs moral. - Feeling vs acting. - "Prepubescent child" vs "person who has secondary sexual characteristics and/or is fully sexually developed, but whose mind may not yet be - or certainly is not - physiologically and/or sociologically developed enough to express independence in the face of even mild sexual advances from an adult, or to make sound decisions about sex (for sometimes undefinably subjective meanings of 'sound decision')". People opining on age of consent sometimes have a good point, often not, but I think in either case they are usually honestly trying to bring more clarity to an important topic.
- beepbooptheory 5y ago
  The most charitable hypothesis here is just libertarianism I think, especially because of its ideological prevalence in this crowd.
  - Grieving 5y ago
    There's a libertarian-socialist horseshoe on age of consent laws. The more ideological one becomes, the more passionate they are about lowering the age and distinguishing between the different paraphilias relating to sex with minors. At this point I assume that all political theories are invented to justify their proponents' sexual desires.
oldstrangers 5y ago
There's always someone with an extensive understanding of age of consent laws ready to chime in and explain why this particular case of abusing and exploiting children isn't weird. Why? This isn't an intellectual debate. We don't need to understand the severity of different types of exploitation to understand that Schrödinger's love for a 12 year old child is heinous.
dragonwriter 5y ago
> The article says that 14 and 17 year old are pedophilia, which is a range that is not widely considered pedophilia “Pedophilia” in common use includes both “pedophilia” and “ephebophilia” in the strict sense. There's not a whole lot of value on being excessively particular about this in common speech except when scientific research about things like the immutably of (certain patterns of) pedophilia in the strict sense is used to justify arguments, and particularly public policy, addressing “pedophilia” in the expansive sense. It’s fine for words to have different meaning in different contexts.

eesmith 5y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Schr%C3%B6dinger#Pedophilia_and_sexual_abuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Schr%C3%B6dinger#Pedophi... > Schrödinger repeatedly sexually abused young women.[42][43][44][45] "The poor things," Schrödinger wrote about the young women and girls he had sexually abused. "They have given me the moments of happiness in my life and themselves the sorrow. Such is life."[verification needed] Schrödinger recorded his sexual "conquests" in a diary he called "Ephemeridae" (mayflies).[citation needed] He justified his preference for young girls by saying that their innocence was the ideal counterpart to his natural genius The Futurism piece links to https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/how-erwin-schr%C3%B6dinger-indulged-his-lolita-complex-in-ireland-1.4749204 https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/how-erwin-s... which starts: > How Erwin Schrödinger indulged his ‘Lolita complex’ in Ireland / Nobel Prize-winning physicist, who spent 17 years in Ireland, was a serial groomer of girls I don't have an account to read it.

bavell 5y ago
Not sure what to think but I went and briefly checked all the references cited in that paragraph... and they were all written within the last few months, most of them news articles from the past week or two. Curious...
- eesmith 5y ago
  Because it's newly published. The https://taz.de/Missbrauch-und-Missachtung/!5823374/ https://taz.de/Missbrauch-und-Missachtung/!5823374/ links, according to Google Translate at https://taz-de.translate.goog/Missbrauch-und-Missachtung/!5823374/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=sv&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://taz-de.translate.goog/Missbrauch-und-Missachtung/!58... says: > That he was a parthenophile and abusive of girls is absent from most biographies . While his biographers Walter Moore and John Gribbin mention it in their books on Schrödinger, it has been largely ignored. Wikipedia has no reference whatsoever: "Schrödinger and his wife Annie lived in an open relationship - Schrödinger openly had extramarital relationships, for example with the wife of his colleague and friend Arthur March," it says there only. and mentions: > Barbara, whose married name was McEntee, died in 1995. Her family only found out about Schrödinger's unwanted attention long after her death. "The subject never came up with my mother, as you can imagine," says her son, Bernard Biggar. He had come across Moore's biography while following a cross-reference to his great-uncle de Brún. In September, after reading an article in the Irish Times about an official cycle route that follows Schrödinger's footsteps through ten stops in Dublin, he asked author Joe Humphreys why he hadn't mentioned Schrödinger's parthenophilia. That was a mistake, Humphreys admitted three weeks ago: "The evidence was obvious," he wrote. "Schrödinger was a serial abuser."
ptsneves 5y ago
Good catch, problem is what are the citations: [42] https://taz.de/Missbrauch-und-Missachtung/!5823374/ https://taz.de/Missbrauch-und-Missachtung/!5823374/ [43] Joe Humphreys (11 December 2021). "How Erwin Schrödinger indulged his 'Lolita complex' in Ireland". The Irish Times. [44] staff (January 2022). "Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile". Futurism. Retrieved 14 January 2022. [45] Johnson, Lacy M. (2 August 2021). "Chanda Prescod-Weinstein: "I'm one part of the universe, trying to figure out another part of the universe."". Guernica Magazine. Retrieved 14 January 2021. [42] An article referring to the Irish times article. [43] is the Irish times original article i called sensationalist, due to the conflation of 14 to 17 sexual affairs being called pedophilie. [44] Is the a re-quote of the article of [43] [45] Is an interview with a third party account with the following to say: " I can’t remember exactly how he says it, but it’s something like “an unusual interest in pre-teenage girls,” which is new information for me. Literally, 90 percent of the work that I do right now is using the nonlinear Schrödinger-Poisson equation.? " . What’s interesting to me about this is nobody’s going to write about Rovelli’s book and call it a memoir unless that’s what I decide to say in my review. Nobody’s going to call it a biography of Schrödinger. I might say it’s a biography of quantum mechanics, but nobody’s going to say it’s a biography of a person, nobody’s going to say it’s a memoir, nobody’s going to say it’s an autobiography, none of that."
- eesmith 5y ago
  Yes, many of them go back to the same primary source. But the [42] you mention seems entirely on point, eg, with 'That was a mistake, Humphreys admitted three weeks ago: "The evidence was obvious," he wrote. "Schrödinger was a serial abuser." ' That's certainly enough to suspect that this is not meant to interpret a cultural difference in the age of consent as pedophilia, but is actually the "the evilness of a terrible thing" you opposed. I don't know why you thought it was more likely the former.
  - ptsneves 5y ago
    The original article Irish Times articles is not even available without a paywall, yet it is quoted by the topic of this argument without further evidence. Great claims require, great evidence, especially on such a delicate topic. If a household scientific name will be judged as pedophile, so be it! But please, get historians and primary source evidence; not a newspaper article behind a paywal. The sentence you quote is from Joe Humphreys[1] a journalist for the Irish Times itself. I could not find any biography or peer reviews work on Schrodinger by him[1]. Again it is not about whether it is not true or not. The whole article makes a lot of claims which touch very sensitive topics that should be accurately and precisely described with at least mention of original sources or authorities. Unfortunately it seems we have Joe Humphreys' word :( https://joehumphreys.com/about/ https://joehumphreys.com/about/

bryanlarsen 5y ago

The article mentions one girl was 12.

Mystlix 5y ago

The problem is that people still can't detach age of consent from pedophilia. Being a pedophile is about being attracted to kids, meaning you get aroused from the bodily characteristics of prepubescent people. If you are attracted to a 13yo that looks like a 18yo then you aren't a pedophile, but if you are attracted to a 13yo who looks like a 13yo you might very well be. Having said that, you still should be banned from interacting sexually with such young people because of the extremely imbalanced power dynamic that can arise, plus the fact that we rightfully consider children of such age still not able to decide for themselves. All pedophiles break the age of consent, but not everyone who brakes the age of consent is a pedophile.

awillen 5y ago
You're right up until your last sentence, which is totally wrong and illustrates another important thing people misunderstand - there is a difference between a pedophile and child molester. The age of consent is about consenting to sexual activity. A pedophile is someone who feels attraction. If you're a pedophile, that is, you feel attraction to young children, but you seek out treatment and never act on it, then you're not a child molester and haven't broken the age of consent. It's an important difference, because pedophilia is a mental illness, but because people think of pedophiles and actual child molesters as one in the same, pedophiles are often discouraged from seeking out treatment. We should acknowledge that feelings of attraction to children are beyond one's control, like the urges of an alcoholic to drink. Given that, we should celebrate alcoholics who recognize that they have a problem, seek out treatment, and stop drinking. They are fighting a difficult battle against a condition they did not ask for. The same with pedophiles - those who seek out treatment and do not harm children should be applauded, not shunned. Important and relevant: https://www.vice.com/en/article/j5y8zy/the-men-who-call-themselves-non-offending-pedophiles https://www.vice.com/en/article/j5y8zy/the-men-who-call-them...
- Mystlix 5y ago
  You got me there on that technicality, but since I already defined at the beginning of my post that being a pedohpile is only about arousal I think it was clear that the last sentence referred to pedophiles who actually enact on their desires. But if we want to be pedantic, a child molester can also not be a pedophile since you can have sex with people that you don't actually feel attracted to.

strikelaserclaw 5y ago

article says he also went after a 12 year old.

beepbooptheory 5y ago

There would maybe something valuable in your response here, but the fact that it doesn't speak to all the details of the article kinda makes it seem a little kneejerk; it "protests too much". And the fact you even have that reflex is probably something to work on with such sensitive matters. At the very least, realize it makes you look really bad dude.

vintermann 5y ago

He was also that girl's tutor, which would have made it an abuse of power even if she was older. No, I agree that this was clearly child abuse. The real stinker in this article is using real abuse to legitimize the swipe at James Webb on the end. The real culture war payload. (James Webb was falsely accused of doing anti-gay purges based on a misattributed quote, but from this article you'd think he was a pedophile too).

_moof 5y ago

Why is there always someone eager to demonstrate a weirdly expansive knowledge of ages of consent?

afiori 5y ago
because cultural imperialism irritates people
happytoexplain 5y ago
Sometimes it's for suspicious reasons, but sometimes the focus on legal age of consent is just a misguided reaction to the opposite irrationality. Generally this topic perhaps more than any other suffers from semantic ambiguity, due to an unwillingness to put a lot of thought into it and bad faith arguments, which both stem from how incredibly uncomfortable and emotional the real consequences surrounding the topic are. Examples of distinctions that are usually not made clear in contexts where they should be: - Abuse vs pedophilia. - Colloquial vs objective definitions of pedophilia. - Legal vs moral. - Feeling vs acting. - "Prepubescent child" vs "person who has secondary sexual characteristics and/or is fully sexually developed, but whose mind may not yet be - or certainly is not - physiologically and/or sociologically developed enough to express independence in the face of even mild sexual advances from an adult, or to make sound decisions about sex (for sometimes undefinably subjective meanings of 'sound decision')". People opining on age of consent sometimes have a good point, often not, but I think in either case they are usually honestly trying to bring more clarity to an important topic.
beepbooptheory 5y ago
The most charitable hypothesis here is just libertarianism I think, especially because of its ideological prevalence in this crowd.
- Grieving 5y ago
  There's a libertarian-socialist horseshoe on age of consent laws. The more ideological one becomes, the more passionate they are about lowering the age and distinguishing between the different paraphilias relating to sex with minors. At this point I assume that all political theories are invented to justify their proponents' sexual desires.

oldstrangers 5y ago

There's always someone with an extensive understanding of age of consent laws ready to chime in and explain why this particular case of abusing and exploiting children isn't weird. Why? This isn't an intellectual debate. We don't need to understand the severity of different types of exploitation to understand that Schrödinger's love for a 12 year old child is heinous.

dragonwriter 5y ago

> The article says that 14 and 17 year old are pedophilia, which is a range that is not widely considered pedophilia “Pedophilia” in common use includes both “pedophilia” and “ephebophilia” in the strict sense. There's not a whole lot of value on being excessively particular about this in common speech except when scientific research about things like the immutably of (certain patterns of) pedophilia in the strict sense is used to justify arguments, and particularly public policy, addressing “pedophilia” in the expansive sense. It’s fine for words to have different meaning in different contexts.