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As usual, legitimate customers get shafted while piracy thrives.

by Nextgrid 5y ago

theplumber 5y ago
I believe it's a good thing considering that "ligitimate customers" means customes supporting DRM.
- Nextgrid 5y ago
  Most customers don't know what DRM is, how it works and how/when it fails. It's reasonable for a non-technical person to agree with a solution that claims to prevent piracy because they have no idea how these things work and their trade-offs. They don't mind it because they don't see themselves as pirates given that they just bought the media and are unaware of how the DRM scheme can backfire on them despite not being a pirate. Very few people would agree to DRM if the DRM scheme explicitly had a disclaimer "we can, for any reason, prevent you from playing this in the future even on the same hardware that successfully plays it today".
  - theplumber 5y ago
    As can be seen in this case ignorace does not help much. It's a lesseon that all of us have to learn from time to time.
deepstack 5y ago
The currently model for digital media (film, music, etc) just doesn't work. Instead of preventing piracy, figure out a new way of making money for artists (not the organisations and administrators). Artists ought to be rewarded not the organisation and admin.
- rocqua 5y ago
  Thing is the organizations and administrators around artists are huge. In the current world, they are no longer needed, and they know it. But they still have power. So they are doing everything they can to keep up their revenue streams. If they admit to progress, if they try and make a working ecosystems, they are working on something which, at best, requires massive downsizing for them. So instead they are flailing about looking to construct ecosystems that still have a place for them.
henryackerman 5y ago
"Piracy will continue as scheduled."
gedy 5y ago
I think they don't want people buying movies at all anymore, just to subscribe forever
- ttyprintk 5y ago
  To prove you wrong, one would have to take the position that those industries are making more and better content.
sersi 5y ago
I honestly don't get it, everyone knows that this will not stop piracy, there's no benefit whatsoever to it yet it has significant disadvantages for paying customers.
- scotty79 5y ago
  The benefit is that pirates won't buy the content either way, but legit uses locked out of the content they bought might buy it the second time.
- iSnow 5y ago
  It doesn't outright stop piracy, but making it more uncomfortable to play back on PC means people would either switch to streaming or buy set-top players. Big tech long ago decided that the PC is a problem to them and they want to move to locked-down gadgets.
- hyperman1 5y ago
  That's because piracy is the excuse, not the reason. DRM is very successful at what it should do: Protect the content middleman from the device makers (not the end users). They can, for example, enforce market segmentation: You bought the DVD in the USA and play it in the EU. Legal, but DRM stops you. Wait for the EU release and pay the different price. If the content middleman screams piracy, react as if a politician screams child porn. They want something else, but cant' get it without invoking the bogeyman. Hordes of (starving artists/concerned parents) will provide the necessary rope to hang themselves on command.
  - bambax 5y ago
    > They can, for example, enforce market segmentation: You bought the DVD in the USA and play it in the EU. Legal, but DRM stops you. Wait for the EU release and pay the different price. Ok, but don't they risk discouraging people from buying disks? Who buys disks nowadays anyway?
    - Nextgrid 5y ago
amelius 5y ago
As streaming becomes more common, the number of seeders seems to be steadily dropping.
- bserge 5y ago
  And as streaming becomes more fragmented, it steadily goes up :D

As usual, legitimate customers get shafted while piracy thrives.

theplumber 5y ago

I believe it's a good thing considering that "ligitimate customers" means customes supporting DRM.

Nextgrid 5y ago
Most customers don't know what DRM is, how it works and how/when it fails. It's reasonable for a non-technical person to agree with a solution that claims to prevent piracy because they have no idea how these things work and their trade-offs. They don't mind it because they don't see themselves as pirates given that they just bought the media and are unaware of how the DRM scheme can backfire on them despite not being a pirate. Very few people would agree to DRM if the DRM scheme explicitly had a disclaimer "we can, for any reason, prevent you from playing this in the future even on the same hardware that successfully plays it today".
- theplumber 5y ago
  As can be seen in this case ignorace does not help much. It's a lesseon that all of us have to learn from time to time.

deepstack 5y ago

The currently model for digital media (film, music, etc) just doesn't work. Instead of preventing piracy, figure out a new way of making money for artists (not the organisations and administrators). Artists ought to be rewarded not the organisation and admin.

rocqua 5y ago
Thing is the organizations and administrators around artists are huge. In the current world, they are no longer needed, and they know it. But they still have power. So they are doing everything they can to keep up their revenue streams. If they admit to progress, if they try and make a working ecosystems, they are working on something which, at best, requires massive downsizing for them. So instead they are flailing about looking to construct ecosystems that still have a place for them.

henryackerman 5y ago

"Piracy will continue as scheduled."

gedy 5y ago

I think they don't want people buying movies at all anymore, just to subscribe forever

ttyprintk 5y ago
To prove you wrong, one would have to take the position that those industries are making more and better content.

sersi 5y ago

I honestly don't get it, everyone knows that this will not stop piracy, there's no benefit whatsoever to it yet it has significant disadvantages for paying customers.

scotty79 5y ago
The benefit is that pirates won't buy the content either way, but legit uses locked out of the content they bought might buy it the second time.
iSnow 5y ago
It doesn't outright stop piracy, but making it more uncomfortable to play back on PC means people would either switch to streaming or buy set-top players. Big tech long ago decided that the PC is a problem to them and they want to move to locked-down gadgets.
hyperman1 5y ago
That's because piracy is the excuse, not the reason. DRM is very successful at what it should do: Protect the content middleman from the device makers (not the end users). They can, for example, enforce market segmentation: You bought the DVD in the USA and play it in the EU. Legal, but DRM stops you. Wait for the EU release and pay the different price. If the content middleman screams piracy, react as if a politician screams child porn. They want something else, but cant' get it without invoking the bogeyman. Hordes of (starving artists/concerned parents) will provide the necessary rope to hang themselves on command.
- bambax 5y ago
  > They can, for example, enforce market segmentation: You bought the DVD in the USA and play it in the EU. Legal, but DRM stops you. Wait for the EU release and pay the different price. Ok, but don't they risk discouraging people from buying disks? Who buys disks nowadays anyway?
  - Nextgrid 5y ago

amelius 5y ago

As streaming becomes more common, the number of seeders seems to be steadily dropping.

bserge 5y ago
And as streaming becomes more fragmented, it steadily goes up :D