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In addition there is COVID which means a lot of online learning and none of the college social experience. I know of a coop on my team is considering pausing fi

In addition there is COVID which means a lot of online learning and none of the college social experience. I know of a coop on my team is considering pausing finishing his degree because he hates online learning and does not feel like he's getting the education he paid for.

taylodl 5y ago
What's the alternative? Wait for this to "blow over"? We've been waiting for two years now. Maybe omicron will be it. Or maybe not. We simply don't know. One thing we do know from past experience is those opting-out of college or putting their degree on "pause" rarely return to complete their degree. You simply reach a point where you're focusing on your career, maybe start a family, and so forth and the next thing you know there's simply no time (or money) for college.
- nradov 5y ago
  The better alternative is to immediately return all students and staff to full in-person education with no mandates or restrictions. Yes that will incur some small but acceptable level of additional risk.
  - VampireWillow 5y ago
    Your comment is the epitome of "some of you will die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make".
    - nradov 5y ago
      Real life is full of risks. I despise this modern culture of safetyism and fragility. We should teach our youth to be stoic and resilient in the face of danger.
      - SamoyedFurFluff 5y ago
        I think the youth are plenty stoic and resilient. They have to be in response to increasing inequality, a shrinking middle class, climate change, and increased authoritarianism. They have never known a time without war and terrorism. School shootings are no longer newsworthy and they grew up drilling for a lone shooter.
    - hackflip 5y ago
      The 3rd calendar year into this this, I'm willing to make that sacrifice. Everyone who wants to be vaccinated is vaccinated. Young people will overwhelmingly be fine. The old should make sacrifices for the young, not the other way around.
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    - logicalmonster 5y ago
      What human activity has 0 risk? For all of human history, there's been a chance that a child will die in a car-accident or be abducted by a child predator on his way to school every day. We haven't said that kids should stop going to school because of this, have we? There's a non-zero chance people will die traveling to and from work today. We haven't said that people should stop working to save lives, have we? I think that most people being bad at understanding risk-management is at the core of why there's there's such big divide with how to react to Covid.
      - monkeynotes 5y ago
        We have grown to depend on automobiles for modern life and the economy to function. People can function with kids in masks and home learning, just about. Their quality of life compared to my childhood/teen years is trash though. Additionally society cannot live with hospitals operating at reduced capacity because of COVID overflow. I mean, that alone is reason for managing the risk aggressively.
        logicalmonster 5y ago
        > We have grown to depend on automobiles for modern life and the economy to function. So when it comes to cars, what you're saying is that "some of you will die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make". Am I reading that correctly? PS: The above is obvious sarcasm. See how ridiculous bad risk-management calculations sound? > Additionally society cannot live with hospitals operating at reduced capacity because of COVID overflow. Color me skeptical about the severity of this risk for 2 big reasons. 1) Look at actions, not words. Think about how governors and hospitals are acting. If there was a genuine fear of the hospitals collapsing, they'd be putting out daily public service announcements begging for retired doctors, people with any medical training whatsoever, or even random nuns to come and volunteer to tend to the sick and dying. Instead they're mass-firing healthy "health care heroes" who refuse to get a vaccine. Is that the act of people who are genuinely concerned about overwhelming the health care system? 2) This sensationalism has been happening every cold and flu season: see pic-related. Hospitals are designed to perpetually run at close to full capacity for financial reasons. https://i.imgur.com/50eqkXq.jpg https://i.imgur.com/50eqkXq.jpg
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- monkeynotes 5y ago
  I think for him pausing and perhaps just having a career is the best of a bad situation. His education doesn't work for him as is.

taylodl 5y ago

What's the alternative? Wait for this to "blow over"? We've been waiting for two years now. Maybe omicron will be it. Or maybe not. We simply don't know. One thing we do know from past experience is those opting-out of college or putting their degree on "pause" rarely return to complete their degree. You simply reach a point where you're focusing on your career, maybe start a family, and so forth and the next thing you know there's simply no time (or money) for college.

nradov 5y ago
The better alternative is to immediately return all students and staff to full in-person education with no mandates or restrictions. Yes that will incur some small but acceptable level of additional risk.
- VampireWillow 5y ago
  Your comment is the epitome of "some of you will die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make".
  - nradov 5y ago
    Real life is full of risks. I despise this modern culture of safetyism and fragility. We should teach our youth to be stoic and resilient in the face of danger.
    - SamoyedFurFluff 5y ago
      I think the youth are plenty stoic and resilient. They have to be in response to increasing inequality, a shrinking middle class, climate change, and increased authoritarianism. They have never known a time without war and terrorism. School shootings are no longer newsworthy and they grew up drilling for a lone shooter.
  - hackflip 5y ago
    The 3rd calendar year into this this, I'm willing to make that sacrifice. Everyone who wants to be vaccinated is vaccinated. Young people will overwhelmingly be fine. The old should make sacrifices for the young, not the other way around.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
  - logicalmonster 5y ago
    What human activity has 0 risk? For all of human history, there's been a chance that a child will die in a car-accident or be abducted by a child predator on his way to school every day. We haven't said that kids should stop going to school because of this, have we? There's a non-zero chance people will die traveling to and from work today. We haven't said that people should stop working to save lives, have we? I think that most people being bad at understanding risk-management is at the core of why there's there's such big divide with how to react to Covid.
    - monkeynotes 5y ago
      We have grown to depend on automobiles for modern life and the economy to function. People can function with kids in masks and home learning, just about. Their quality of life compared to my childhood/teen years is trash though. Additionally society cannot live with hospitals operating at reduced capacity because of COVID overflow. I mean, that alone is reason for managing the risk aggressively.
      - logicalmonster 5y ago
        > We have grown to depend on automobiles for modern life and the economy to function. So when it comes to cars, what you're saying is that "some of you will die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make". Am I reading that correctly? PS: The above is obvious sarcasm. See how ridiculous bad risk-management calculations sound? > Additionally society cannot live with hospitals operating at reduced capacity because of COVID overflow. Color me skeptical about the severity of this risk for 2 big reasons. 1) Look at actions, not words. Think about how governors and hospitals are acting. If there was a genuine fear of the hospitals collapsing, they'd be putting out daily public service announcements begging for retired doctors, people with any medical training whatsoever, or even random nuns to come and volunteer to tend to the sick and dying. Instead they're mass-firing healthy "health care heroes" who refuse to get a vaccine. Is that the act of people who are genuinely concerned about overwhelming the health care system? 2) This sensationalism has been happening every cold and flu season: see pic-related. Hospitals are designed to perpetually run at close to full capacity for financial reasons. https://i.imgur.com/50eqkXq.jpg https://i.imgur.com/50eqkXq.jpg
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monkeynotes 5y ago
I think for him pausing and perhaps just having a career is the best of a bad situation. His education doesn't work for him as is.