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So, did it leak from a Chinese lab? If so, why isn't China being held economically and ethically liable? Why do they continue stonewalling any investigation and

So, did it leak from a Chinese lab? If so, why isn't China being held economically and ethically liable? Why do they continue stonewalling any investigation and suffer zero consequences?

kennywinker 5y ago
On one hand, China hasn’t faced ethical or economic consequences for literal concentration camps so why would this be different? On the other hand - would you really seek to punish an entire nation for the (supposed) actions of a few careless scientists?
- krageon 5y ago
  > literal concentration camps I've seen this repeated hundreds of times, approximately 0 times with proof. Can I find these camps somewhere? Are there photos? As it stands, a casual reader must conclude this is part of a propaganda campaign vilifying China.
  - kennywinker 5y ago
    I didn’t think I had to cite sources, since it’s been incredibly well covered but if you want to get started down a dark road here’s a link to the top hit on duckduckgo https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/chinas-260-concentration-camps-are-proof-of-pure-evil/ https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/chinas-260-concentration-camps... The general lack of action by governments and corporations means a casual reader must conclude nobody with any power cares, since they’re all getting rich off china.
    - iqanq 5y ago
      That article doesn't say much to me. They've found... buildings? And how do they know what goes on in them?
      - krageon 5y ago
        It's mostly witness accounts from people they claim have been in there, frequently people the Chinese government says are terrorists. There's a natural friction there which makes it clear that there's definitely a group unhappy with the Chinese government (and vice-versa), but it's very hard to not just devolve into outrage porn while looking around for what goes on.
    - krageon 5y ago
      Respectfully, the coverage is good but figuring out what is true from what is essentially (biased, one-sided) eyewitness accounts and blurry satellite images is not easy. I'm not doubting there is something going on, but I'm looking to know what precisely it is (holistically, not from an outrage perspective) and for that this article just doesn't suffice.
pmlnr 5y ago
Because mistakes happen. The correct course of action would be to help them ensure it doesn't heppen again, with procedures, audits, etc.
- larryflint 5y ago

So, did it leak from a Chinese lab? If so, why isn't China being held economically and ethically liable? Why do they continue stonewalling any investigation and suffer zero consequences?

kennywinker 5y ago

On one hand, China hasn’t faced ethical or economic consequences for literal concentration camps so why would this be different? On the other hand - would you really seek to punish an entire nation for the (supposed) actions of a few careless scientists?

krageon 5y ago
> literal concentration camps I've seen this repeated hundreds of times, approximately 0 times with proof. Can I find these camps somewhere? Are there photos? As it stands, a casual reader must conclude this is part of a propaganda campaign vilifying China.
- kennywinker 5y ago
  I didn’t think I had to cite sources, since it’s been incredibly well covered but if you want to get started down a dark road here’s a link to the top hit on duckduckgo https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/chinas-260-concentration-camps-are-proof-of-pure-evil/ https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/chinas-260-concentration-camps... The general lack of action by governments and corporations means a casual reader must conclude nobody with any power cares, since they’re all getting rich off china.
  - iqanq 5y ago
    That article doesn't say much to me. They've found... buildings? And how do they know what goes on in them?
    - krageon 5y ago
      It's mostly witness accounts from people they claim have been in there, frequently people the Chinese government says are terrorists. There's a natural friction there which makes it clear that there's definitely a group unhappy with the Chinese government (and vice-versa), but it's very hard to not just devolve into outrage porn while looking around for what goes on.
  - krageon 5y ago
    Respectfully, the coverage is good but figuring out what is true from what is essentially (biased, one-sided) eyewitness accounts and blurry satellite images is not easy. I'm not doubting there is something going on, but I'm looking to know what precisely it is (holistically, not from an outrage perspective) and for that this article just doesn't suffice.

pmlnr 5y ago

Because mistakes happen. The correct course of action would be to help them ensure it doesn't heppen again, with procedures, audits, etc.

larryflint 5y ago