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I didn't realise part of being a hacker was being okay with endangering lives.

by Thorentis 5y ago

anonporridge 5y ago
We all endanger lives every time we get behind the wheel of a manually driven car.
- BoorishBears 5y ago
  We individually endanger lives, presumably the people who made your car have not added it to an army of self-endangering cars. It's not like there's nothing between 0 safety features and FSD. We could just have passive safety features like AEB and LKA and get a ton of benefit over nothing...
- gamblor956 5y ago
  If you endanger lives every time you get behind the wheel of a car, you shouldn't be driving. Millions of people are able to drive safely, and do, every minute of every day.
  - inglor_cz 5y ago
    Millions of people think they are able to drive safely. But 9 of 10 crashes are still caused by human error. 73 per cent of American drivers consider themselves above average [0]. [0] https://www.insurancejournal.com/magazines/mag-editorsnote/2018/02/05/478963.htm https://www.insurancejournal.com/magazines/mag-editorsnote/2... I don't doubt that there are many safe drivers out there, but probably fewer than we think. With modern cars, you can risk a lot before having an accident.
    - mellavora 5y ago
      There was some interesting comment a few months ago about the "human error" aspect of crashes. Basically saying that the quoted statistic (90% or whatever) is a way to NOT look at how road design contributes to the error. Earlier on this threat, someone commented that a road marked as 50 mph often has cars driving 150 mph on it, because it is a shortcut which is build like a racetrack. Obviously 150mph in a 50mph zone is human error, but a few simple changes to road design could take away the 150mph attractiveness of this road. Or see some of the articles on stroads, or badly placed left turns, etc. FSD might be a step to better road safety, but a focus on designing roads for safety might also be a good step.
- ribosometronome 5y ago
  Sure, and since we're part of the hacker community, we're doing some biohacking on ourselves before getting behind the wheel, right? You know, thc and microdosing LSD for creativity. A few shots of alcohol for easing social situations and anxiety. All while wearing a special VR headset that gives us a 360 degree view from the top of the car, of course. That's safe and not frowned upon when on public roads.
dekhn 5y ago
many people who build computer systems build systems that endanger lives. It's a tradeoff in modern society.

I didn't realise part of being a hacker was being okay with endangering lives.

anonporridge 5y ago

We all endanger lives every time we get behind the wheel of a manually driven car.

BoorishBears 5y ago
We individually endanger lives, presumably the people who made your car have not added it to an army of self-endangering cars. It's not like there's nothing between 0 safety features and FSD. We could just have passive safety features like AEB and LKA and get a ton of benefit over nothing...
gamblor956 5y ago
If you endanger lives every time you get behind the wheel of a car, you shouldn't be driving. Millions of people are able to drive safely, and do, every minute of every day.
- inglor_cz 5y ago
  Millions of people think they are able to drive safely. But 9 of 10 crashes are still caused by human error. 73 per cent of American drivers consider themselves above average [0]. [0] https://www.insurancejournal.com/magazines/mag-editorsnote/2018/02/05/478963.htm https://www.insurancejournal.com/magazines/mag-editorsnote/2... I don't doubt that there are many safe drivers out there, but probably fewer than we think. With modern cars, you can risk a lot before having an accident.
  - mellavora 5y ago
    There was some interesting comment a few months ago about the "human error" aspect of crashes. Basically saying that the quoted statistic (90% or whatever) is a way to NOT look at how road design contributes to the error. Earlier on this threat, someone commented that a road marked as 50 mph often has cars driving 150 mph on it, because it is a shortcut which is build like a racetrack. Obviously 150mph in a 50mph zone is human error, but a few simple changes to road design could take away the 150mph attractiveness of this road. Or see some of the articles on stroads, or badly placed left turns, etc. FSD might be a step to better road safety, but a focus on designing roads for safety might also be a good step.
ribosometronome 5y ago
Sure, and since we're part of the hacker community, we're doing some biohacking on ourselves before getting behind the wheel, right? You know, thc and microdosing LSD for creativity. A few shots of alcohol for easing social situations and anxiety. All while wearing a special VR headset that gives us a 360 degree view from the top of the car, of course. That's safe and not frowned upon when on public roads.

dekhn 5y ago

many people who build computer systems build systems that endanger lives. It's a tradeoff in modern society.