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Since Tesla is a very young and upscale brand deaths per mile would be very misleading. You need to also account for price range, car type, and age of the vehic
by foepys 5y ago
Since Tesla is a very young and upscale brand deaths per mile would be very misleading. You need to also account for price range, car type, and age of the vehicle.
There is quite the difference getting into an accident with a 20 year old Honda Accord and a 3 year old Model 3.
- carlivar 5y agoAnd also road setting. Highways (where self driving tech is most commonly used) are the safest per mile.
- anonporridge 5y agoOk, still, try to compare it to equivalent brands and socio-economic groups. My point is that anti Tesla self driving sentiment is almost exclusively driven by emotion, not hard data. Show me the data that justifies why I need to be afraid of public FSD.
- marricks 5y agoIt’s a new technology which no one else is testing in the real world with actual drivers at such a scale. Onus is on Tesla to provide data for others to verify the claim that it’s safe.
- bpodgursky 5y agoI don't think this is a good faith answer; feels more like "I don't have a good answer for why this is a problem, so I'm going to punt it onto you to convince me"
- Kbelicius 5y agoThe only ones who have the hard data are Tesla and you are expecting somebody else to provide it. Are you serious?
- mellavora 5y agoDisagree. It is a good faith answer which states standard practice for safety standards. Burden of proof is on Tesla to show that FSD is safe, not on the DMV to prove that it isn't. You are welcome to argue that this principle is in need of reform. People may or may not agree with you. The discussion might be interesting. But like it or not, the underlying principle for an exception to an established safety principle is that the burden of proof is on Tesla.
- slg 5y agoIsn't it a catch 22? How do you provide the data that it is safe without testing it to collect the data?
- marricks 5y agoIt would be but Tesla charged ahead and put its vehicles on the road.
- slg 5y agoWell yes, that is my point. How else would they ever acquire that data if they didn't charge ahead? You are asking them to accomplish an impossible task to release the data without having a way to acquire it.
- gamblor956 5y agoOn an absolute basis, Tesla has more self-driving-related deaths than every other automaker in the world, combined. That doesn't scare you? On a relative basis, it's even scarier: scaled up to Toyota or GM numbers (in terms of vehicles sold), hundreds of people would be dying each year from self-driving crashes.
- randomchars 5y agoBut aren’t 10s of thousands of people dying from self-driving crashes?
- bryanlarsen 5y agoThat sounds a lot better than the tens of thousands that die with humans at the wheel.
- emodendroket 5y agoNot if you start comparing against miles driven it doesn't.
- mavhc 5y agoSo far FSD beta has killed 0 people, and other FSD software has killed 1 person. So they seem to be ahead.
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- radicalbyte 5y agoA few hundred people have died on a 5km stretch of road near me in the last couple of years. None of them driving Teslas. Most of them drunk or driving far too fast (50km/h is safe, people often drive 150km/h because shortcut and the stretch literally drives like a race course).
- mavhc 5y ago3000 people die every day from Human Driven Cars
- jjav 5y agoIt is well-known that Teslas auto-brake-check cars at highway speeds (not with that intention of course, but same outcome). This is behavior for which non-AI drivers get arrested, for good reason. That's enough reason to be very wary of Teslas on the road. There are others, but even one is enough.
- icapulet2 5y agohttps://www.tesladeaths.com/miles.html https://www.tesladeaths.com/miles.html https://www.tesladeaths.com/vehicleyears.html https://www.tesladeaths.com/vehicleyears.html Tesla doesn't release total yearly mileage data anymore so there isn't much to work with. There is some IIHS data and from that Tesla models do worse than comparable vehicles without a doubt (https://www.tesladeaths.com/index.html#FAQ https://www.tesladeaths.com/index.html#FAQ).