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I hope the technology can help in cases like the one described here: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/denmark-gives-facebook-24h-limit-for-deleting-illegal-po

I hope the technology can help in cases like the one described here: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/denmark-gives-facebook-24h-limit-for-deleting-illegal-posts-cs7pc0ldp https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/denmark-gives-facebook-24... A danish tourist was killed on holiday and it was filmed (very graphic) and now the parents of the deceased are being sent videos. > She said she had reported every instance of the harassment to Facebook but in a number of cases it had left the video online. She also complained that Danish police had failed to identify the culprit. > Simon Kollerup, 35, the Danish trade minister responsible for internet regulation, said Facebook’s “hopeless” response had underscored the need for more stringent EU rules on social media. > Martin Ruby, 48, Facebook’s head of public policy for the Nordic and Benelux regions, said he was sorry “if we made the wrong calls in this case” but insisted that it had done its best to eradicate the execution clips. He said that the code for the videos was being continually tweaked to elude Facebook’s censorship algorithms. “The problem is that these evil people are sitting there and changing the format on them,” he told DR. “It’s a perpetual battle.”

animal_spirits 5y ago
Absolutely terrible
aaron695 5y ago
klabb3 5y ago
What, corporate community guidelines aren't serving the purpose they're supposedly for? I'm shocked!
echelon 5y ago
I'm usually a free speech absolutist and privacy advocate, but whomever is sending that poor woman's parents videos of her torture and beheading deserves to be banned from the Internet forever. At minimum. I can't imagine how those poor people must feel.
- causi 5y ago
  Being against harassment doesn't make you any less a believer in free speech.
  - fivea 5y ago
    > Being against harassment doesn't make you any less a believer in free speech. The validity if your statement depends heavily on what's your personal definition of free speech, and where you draw the line regarding acceptable censorship and persecution from the state. Considering the spectrum of free speech includes absolutists who argue speech can only be free if it's free from any consequences from the state, there's a huge grey zone on where to draw the line.
    - causi 5y ago
      Indeed. Personally I think we could solve a lot of our problems by offering users robust content filtering controls and teaching people to use them as a basic life skill.
      - dncornholio 5y ago
        How do you categorise content though? You seem to think it's an easy problem..
        causi 5y ago
        It doesn't have to be that complicated. Blacklist certain words and phrases. In this case, the people are being sent videos of a murder. Silently block all media content from non-whitelisted users, or any video that falls within a certain range of lengths. On a larger scale, content filtering rules can get more complicated and can be collaborated upon and shared. If we can do it with advertisements we can do it with offensive content.
        dncornholio 5y ago
callmeal 5y ago
>Martin Ruby, 48, Facebook’s head of public policy for the Nordic and Benelux regions, said he was sorry “if we made the wrong calls in this case” Ah, the good old "we apologize because we're having to, but we did nothing wrong" non-apology. >“The problem is that these evil people are sitting there and changing the format on them,” he told DR. “It’s a perpetual battle.” Sooo all they need to do is run it through handbrake/ffmpeg again and the scanner stops detecting that video? Oh no. Does that mean FB needs to buy/license Apple's CSAM scanning technology to improve their detection to 100%?
aerostable_slug 5y ago
Facebook butchered (pun intended) a case where cartel sicarios executed a Mexican national, but before they finished him off they tortured his Facebook password out of him. They proceeded to send members of his extended family, his friends, and family members' friends taunting messages from his account, which by this time had his profile picture replaced with a photo of his decapitated body with his head and genitals essentially co-located in an obscene manner. The other pics on the account (background/header image, photos of the decedent, etc.) were replaced with photos of the victim in various stages of torture & dismemberment. I saw them and it was horrific (and I'm pretty jaded). FB slowly responded and locked the account, except they left his profile picture alone (beheaded body) and didn't delete the messages that had been sent. It was just a trainwreck, but who cares? They're just Mexicans and they don't know any politicians so... /s Atrocious behavior, and I saw it for myself on FB after seeing screencaps so I know it wasn't fabricated. I hope they can find a way to better handle this stuff. It makes revenge porn seem mild.

animal_spirits 5y ago

Absolutely terrible

aaron695 5y ago

klabb3 5y ago

What, corporate community guidelines aren't serving the purpose they're supposedly for? I'm shocked!

echelon 5y ago

I'm usually a free speech absolutist and privacy advocate, but whomever is sending that poor woman's parents videos of her torture and beheading deserves to be banned from the Internet forever. At minimum. I can't imagine how those poor people must feel.

causi 5y ago
Being against harassment doesn't make you any less a believer in free speech.
- fivea 5y ago
  > Being against harassment doesn't make you any less a believer in free speech. The validity if your statement depends heavily on what's your personal definition of free speech, and where you draw the line regarding acceptable censorship and persecution from the state. Considering the spectrum of free speech includes absolutists who argue speech can only be free if it's free from any consequences from the state, there's a huge grey zone on where to draw the line.
  - causi 5y ago
    Indeed. Personally I think we could solve a lot of our problems by offering users robust content filtering controls and teaching people to use them as a basic life skill.
    - dncornholio 5y ago
      How do you categorise content though? You seem to think it's an easy problem..
      - causi 5y ago
        It doesn't have to be that complicated. Blacklist certain words and phrases. In this case, the people are being sent videos of a murder. Silently block all media content from non-whitelisted users, or any video that falls within a certain range of lengths. On a larger scale, content filtering rules can get more complicated and can be collaborated upon and shared. If we can do it with advertisements we can do it with offensive content.
        dncornholio 5y ago

callmeal 5y ago

>Martin Ruby, 48, Facebook’s head of public policy for the Nordic and Benelux regions, said he was sorry “if we made the wrong calls in this case” Ah, the good old "we apologize because we're having to, but we did nothing wrong" non-apology. >“The problem is that these evil people are sitting there and changing the format on them,” he told DR. “It’s a perpetual battle.” Sooo all they need to do is run it through handbrake/ffmpeg again and the scanner stops detecting that video? Oh no. Does that mean FB needs to buy/license Apple's CSAM scanning technology to improve their detection to 100%?

aerostable_slug 5y ago

Facebook butchered (pun intended) a case where cartel sicarios executed a Mexican national, but before they finished him off they tortured his Facebook password out of him. They proceeded to send members of his extended family, his friends, and family members' friends taunting messages from his account, which by this time had his profile picture replaced with a photo of his decapitated body with his head and genitals essentially co-located in an obscene manner. The other pics on the account (background/header image, photos of the decedent, etc.) were replaced with photos of the victim in various stages of torture & dismemberment. I saw them and it was horrific (and I'm pretty jaded). FB slowly responded and locked the account, except they left his profile picture alone (beheaded body) and didn't delete the messages that had been sent. It was just a trainwreck, but who cares? They're just Mexicans and they don't know any politicians so... /s Atrocious behavior, and I saw it for myself on FB after seeing screencaps so I know it wasn't fabricated. I hope they can find a way to better handle this stuff. It makes revenge porn seem mild.