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How is it so hard for you people to understand that we shut down society because the health system is stressed at unforeseen levels? I mean just ask your fellow

How is it so hard for you people to understand that we shut down society because the health system is stressed at unforeseen levels? I mean just ask your fellow emergency workers how their life is right now.

rajup 5y ago
Stressed by the numerous asymptomatic hypochondriacs you mean? [1] I have no idea what these asymptomatic folks are wasting hospital resources for [1] https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/ny-covid-cases-top-90k-as-dozens-of-upstate-hospitals-halt-elective-surgeries/3486369/?amp https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/ny-covid-cases-t...
- runako 5y ago
  The major hospitals in my (Top 10 American) metro area are currently doing patient "diversion." In practice, this means that they are not accepting most trauma patients, elective surgeries like cancer removals are being delayed, and patient care for non-Covid conditions is being impacted. This is primarily due to the hospitals being at/over capacity. These hospitals are not admitting hypochondriacs, the folks taking up the beds are sick and need to be hospitalized.
  - neuronic 5y ago
    - BTCOG 5y ago
      Uh, it factually is a coronavirus, of which several are already endemic "colds," and within another year or two (or so) we are looking at this also becoming "just another cold." This is the meaning of currently talking about the virus becoming endemic. It's here to stay like our other colds that should be added, were also deadly when they first started.
      - neuronic 5y ago
        Uhh it factually causes hospital and ICU intervention in 15% of the cases. Maybe with Omicron we get a bit luckier but that’s just chance and not predictable evolution. It’s not just a cold. You’re quite obviously not a virologist or epidemiologist so stop acting smarter than you are about this topic and listen to experts who actually know their field.
        nradov 5y ago
        Stop posting misinformation. The hospitalization rate is nowhere near 15%. The CDC estimated it at 5%. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd...
    - jquery 5y ago
      For some reason anything about Covid attracts all the HN cranks. Or just reminds me that HN is full of cranks. The kind of crowd that would get upset at calling Jan 6 an insurrection.
      - mardifoufs 5y ago
        The cranks are the people in this very thread who are saying they are okay with permanent masks and boosters. The fact is, the vaccines are here, and they work. People need to stop being antivax and asking everyone around them to lock down just because they can't understand that it's time to move on and stop doubting just how effective the vaccines really are because of a 0.0001% chance they might maybe not work for them very well. What we are seeing right now is the same "pro vaxxers, pro science" types revealing their true face by not being willing to accept that the vaccine works and that the science is clear; omicron is mild, hospitalizations are fine, and that the virus is essentially harmless for kids. They are the equivalent of tinfoil wearers that "wear them just in case" aka cranks.
        neuronic 5y ago
        dang 5y ago
        You broke the site guidelines egregiously with this post, and have been repeatedly posting other flamewar comments too. We've had to ask you many times not to do that. I had to ask you about this fairly recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29190706 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29190706. If you keep it up, we're going to have to ban you. I don't want to do that so, regardless of how right you are or how strongly you feel, would you please stop? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - BTCOG 5y ago
  - rajup 5y ago
    Which in turn is most likely due to bad policy rather than severe disease, e.g. https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/COVID-San-Francisco-staff-shortage-UCSF-16758335.php https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/COVID-San-Francisco-s... I wonder if an irrational fear of COVID makes people lose all critical thinking skills.
    - runako 5y ago
      Much of that article is about places with high vaccination rates. The experts quoted repeat that caveat a few times. I do not live in a state or metro with high vaccination rates.
    - deleted 5y ago
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- astrange 5y ago
  It's not "asymptomatic hypochondriacs". "Hospitalized with no symptoms" mean they're in the hospital for other reasons and just happened to test positive. Although, even vaccinated people hospitalized "for covid" at the moment are mostly there for things like dehydration, similar to the flu.
BTCOG 5y ago
Just ask my close emergency worker friends and family? They're mostly unwilling to get vaccinated, understand this more than yourself, and they think it's endemic and pointless to get the vaccine. They usually bring up the fact they all have MRSA in their noses and on all their surfaces all day long and they'll get over it. They've all had COVID. Immunocompromised people will continue to die from pnuemonia, flus, etc regardless of impositions from society.
- Bhilai 5y ago
  > Just ask my close emergency worker friends and family? They're mostly unwilling to get vaccinated ... What? My uncle (father's real brother) is a doctor and he is fully vaccinated and boosted. Two other cousins are doctors are vaccinated and boosted. My wife's side of family has several in nursing and administration staff at hospitals, all of them are boosted. Most of the hospitals these folks mentioned above are associated with have fully vaccinated staff.
  - nradov 5y ago
    There is a large variance in vaccination rates among different types of healthcare workers. Rates are high among physicians but lower among nurses and aides. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7030a2.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7030a2.htm

rajup 5y ago

Stressed by the numerous asymptomatic hypochondriacs you mean? [1] I have no idea what these asymptomatic folks are wasting hospital resources for [1] https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/ny-covid-cases-top-90k-as-dozens-of-upstate-hospitals-halt-elective-surgeries/3486369/?amp https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/ny-covid-cases-t...

runako 5y ago
The major hospitals in my (Top 10 American) metro area are currently doing patient "diversion." In practice, this means that they are not accepting most trauma patients, elective surgeries like cancer removals are being delayed, and patient care for non-Covid conditions is being impacted. This is primarily due to the hospitals being at/over capacity. These hospitals are not admitting hypochondriacs, the folks taking up the beds are sick and need to be hospitalized.
- neuronic 5y ago
  - BTCOG 5y ago
    Uh, it factually is a coronavirus, of which several are already endemic "colds," and within another year or two (or so) we are looking at this also becoming "just another cold." This is the meaning of currently talking about the virus becoming endemic. It's here to stay like our other colds that should be added, were also deadly when they first started.
    - neuronic 5y ago
      Uhh it factually causes hospital and ICU intervention in 15% of the cases. Maybe with Omicron we get a bit luckier but that’s just chance and not predictable evolution. It’s not just a cold. You’re quite obviously not a virologist or epidemiologist so stop acting smarter than you are about this topic and listen to experts who actually know their field.
      - nradov 5y ago
        Stop posting misinformation. The hospitalization rate is nowhere near 15%. The CDC estimated it at 5%. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd...
  - jquery 5y ago
    For some reason anything about Covid attracts all the HN cranks. Or just reminds me that HN is full of cranks. The kind of crowd that would get upset at calling Jan 6 an insurrection.
    - mardifoufs 5y ago
      The cranks are the people in this very thread who are saying they are okay with permanent masks and boosters. The fact is, the vaccines are here, and they work. People need to stop being antivax and asking everyone around them to lock down just because they can't understand that it's time to move on and stop doubting just how effective the vaccines really are because of a 0.0001% chance they might maybe not work for them very well. What we are seeing right now is the same "pro vaxxers, pro science" types revealing their true face by not being willing to accept that the vaccine works and that the science is clear; omicron is mild, hospitalizations are fine, and that the virus is essentially harmless for kids. They are the equivalent of tinfoil wearers that "wear them just in case" aka cranks.
      - neuronic 5y ago
        dang 5y ago
        You broke the site guidelines egregiously with this post, and have been repeatedly posting other flamewar comments too. We've had to ask you many times not to do that. I had to ask you about this fairly recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29190706 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29190706. If you keep it up, we're going to have to ban you. I don't want to do that so, regardless of how right you are or how strongly you feel, would you please stop? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - BTCOG 5y ago
- rajup 5y ago
  Which in turn is most likely due to bad policy rather than severe disease, e.g. https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/COVID-San-Francisco-staff-shortage-UCSF-16758335.php https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/COVID-San-Francisco-s... I wonder if an irrational fear of COVID makes people lose all critical thinking skills.
  - runako 5y ago
    Much of that article is about places with high vaccination rates. The experts quoted repeat that caveat a few times. I do not live in a state or metro with high vaccination rates.
  - deleted 5y ago
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astrange 5y ago
It's not "asymptomatic hypochondriacs". "Hospitalized with no symptoms" mean they're in the hospital for other reasons and just happened to test positive. Although, even vaccinated people hospitalized "for covid" at the moment are mostly there for things like dehydration, similar to the flu.

BTCOG 5y ago

Just ask my close emergency worker friends and family? They're mostly unwilling to get vaccinated, understand this more than yourself, and they think it's endemic and pointless to get the vaccine. They usually bring up the fact they all have MRSA in their noses and on all their surfaces all day long and they'll get over it. They've all had COVID. Immunocompromised people will continue to die from pnuemonia, flus, etc regardless of impositions from society.

Bhilai 5y ago
> Just ask my close emergency worker friends and family? They're mostly unwilling to get vaccinated ... What? My uncle (father's real brother) is a doctor and he is fully vaccinated and boosted. Two other cousins are doctors are vaccinated and boosted. My wife's side of family has several in nursing and administration staff at hospitals, all of them are boosted. Most of the hospitals these folks mentioned above are associated with have fully vaccinated staff.
- nradov 5y ago
  There is a large variance in vaccination rates among different types of healthcare workers. Rates are high among physicians but lower among nurses and aides. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7030a2.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7030a2.htm