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It's the opposite, actually. People worried about Covid with kids are the ones saying that there is no global warming because it isn't hot by them. Statistics a

It's the opposite, actually. People worried about Covid with kids are the ones saying that there is no global warming because it isn't hot by them. Statistics are backing up how little effect Covid has on kids (fortunately) - it is anecdotes that are scaring people.

neuronic 5y ago
? Consider that SARS-CoV-2 has been shown to increase risk for newly diagnosed diabetes in children: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7102e2.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7102e2.htm It's clearly a very systemic disease affecting almost all organs and long term effects are impossible to tell right now (as opposed to the vaccine btw which cannot by definition create random effects some years later).
- jdminhbg 5y ago
  > Consider that SARS-CoV-2 has been shown to increase risk for newly diagnosed diabetes in children This hasn't been shown at all, that study can only show that diabetes and Covid are correlated. There's no reason to think the causation doesn't run in the opposite direction.
  - neuronic 5y ago
    You saying "it hasn't been shown" doesn't mean it hasn't been shown. > What are the implications for public health practice? > The increased diabetes risk among persons aged <18 years following COVID-19 highlights the importance of COVID-19 prevention strategies in this age group, including vaccination for all eligible persons and chronic disease prevention and treatment.
    - jdminhbg 5y ago
      Please note the word “following,” which does not mean “caused by.” The study was not designed to show causation, and it does not do so, the CDC’s irresponsible communication strategy notwithstanding.
- MathCodeLove 5y ago
  This is one of those studies where you have to dig a bit deeper than what's shown on the surface. Consider: • The only <18's they can track is those who get tested • You're more likely to get tested if in the hospital or showing severe symptoms • <18's rarely have serious symptoms unless they have comorbidities (e.g. obesity) • Therefore, most <18's with COVID that they can track were already unhealthy prior to the disease and already more likely to be diagnosed with diabetes or another chronic health condition. That study doesn't show Covid increases risk of diabetes, it shows that children hospitalized with Covid are more likely to develop diabetes. Two very different things. Edit: Fixed formatting and spelling from posting on mobile
- asabjorn 5y ago
  The diabetes study you cite have been shown to be junk science [1], the lack of scientific rigor that has has unfortunately become endemic in the CDC [1] https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/does-covid19-cause-diabetes-in-kids https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/does-covid19-cause-d...
- nodamage 5y ago
  Be careful when citing this study as it has several severe limitations, the most significant of which is they did not control for race/ethnicity or obesity. > "Third, the present analyses lacked information on covariates that could have affected the association between COVID-19 and incident diabetes, including prediabetes, race/ethnicity, and obesity status." It is also important to note that correlation is not causation and this study only observes a correlation in the data set which may very well disappear after controlling for the aforementioned factors.
panarky 5y ago
Can't just dismiss the dramatic rise in children hospitalized for covid as "anecdotes". In New York, hospitalizations among kids quadrupled. In Washington DC, children’s hospital admissions have roughly doubled. In Texas, children’s hospitalizations were described as “staggering”. In Alabama, cases were “like a rocket ship”. In Louisiana, one doctor said: “We’ve never seen anything like it.” In Ohio, one associate professor of internal medicine and pediatrics critical care recently told ABC news: “We’re on fire.” Source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/05/covid-hospitalizations-us-children-omicron-schools-hospitals https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/05/covid-hospit...
- gilbetron 5y ago
  Because an absolutely incredible increase in total cases, so of course hospitalizations are going up. However, it isn't going up unusually given the number of cases. Also, those numbers include kids in the hospital for other things, that test positive for covid. Finally, kids get put into the hospital quicker if they show issues with covid because that's what we do with kids if they are significantly affected by any pathogen.
  - panarky 5y ago
    > it is anecdotes that are scaring people >> of course hospitalizations are going up It's not the anecdotes that are scaring people, it's the number of kids in hospitals that's scaring people.
- timr 5y ago
  > In New York, hospitalizations among kids quadrupled. In New York, hospitalizations among everyone more than quadrupled. So if kids quadrupled, they are doing better than average: https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/daily-hospitalization-summary https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/daily-hospitalization-summ... Quotes about staggering, flaming rocket ships aside, if you don't bother to normalize your data to a meaningful baseline rate, you're either not capable of objectively analyzing the situation, or you're trying to mislead. (It's also worth pointing out that in NY, something like 40-50% of "Covid hospitalizations" are unrelated to Covid, per the state's own statistics [1]) [1] https://gothamist.com/news/new-preliminary-state-data-shows-half-people-nyc-hospitals-covid-19-were-admitted-other-reasons https://gothamist.com/news/new-preliminary-state-data-shows-...

neuronic 5y ago

? Consider that SARS-CoV-2 has been shown to increase risk for newly diagnosed diabetes in children: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7102e2.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7102e2.htm It's clearly a very systemic disease affecting almost all organs and long term effects are impossible to tell right now (as opposed to the vaccine btw which cannot by definition create random effects some years later).

jdminhbg 5y ago
> Consider that SARS-CoV-2 has been shown to increase risk for newly diagnosed diabetes in children This hasn't been shown at all, that study can only show that diabetes and Covid are correlated. There's no reason to think the causation doesn't run in the opposite direction.
- neuronic 5y ago
  You saying "it hasn't been shown" doesn't mean it hasn't been shown. > What are the implications for public health practice? > The increased diabetes risk among persons aged <18 years following COVID-19 highlights the importance of COVID-19 prevention strategies in this age group, including vaccination for all eligible persons and chronic disease prevention and treatment.
  - jdminhbg 5y ago
    Please note the word “following,” which does not mean “caused by.” The study was not designed to show causation, and it does not do so, the CDC’s irresponsible communication strategy notwithstanding.
MathCodeLove 5y ago
This is one of those studies where you have to dig a bit deeper than what's shown on the surface. Consider: • The only <18's they can track is those who get tested • You're more likely to get tested if in the hospital or showing severe symptoms • <18's rarely have serious symptoms unless they have comorbidities (e.g. obesity) • Therefore, most <18's with COVID that they can track were already unhealthy prior to the disease and already more likely to be diagnosed with diabetes or another chronic health condition. That study doesn't show Covid increases risk of diabetes, it shows that children hospitalized with Covid are more likely to develop diabetes. Two very different things. Edit: Fixed formatting and spelling from posting on mobile
asabjorn 5y ago
The diabetes study you cite have been shown to be junk science [1], the lack of scientific rigor that has has unfortunately become endemic in the CDC [1] https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/does-covid19-cause-diabetes-in-kids https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/does-covid19-cause-d...
nodamage 5y ago
Be careful when citing this study as it has several severe limitations, the most significant of which is they did not control for race/ethnicity or obesity. > "Third, the present analyses lacked information on covariates that could have affected the association between COVID-19 and incident diabetes, including prediabetes, race/ethnicity, and obesity status." It is also important to note that correlation is not causation and this study only observes a correlation in the data set which may very well disappear after controlling for the aforementioned factors.

panarky 5y ago

Can't just dismiss the dramatic rise in children hospitalized for covid as "anecdotes". In New York, hospitalizations among kids quadrupled. In Washington DC, children’s hospital admissions have roughly doubled. In Texas, children’s hospitalizations were described as “staggering”. In Alabama, cases were “like a rocket ship”. In Louisiana, one doctor said: “We’ve never seen anything like it.” In Ohio, one associate professor of internal medicine and pediatrics critical care recently told ABC news: “We’re on fire.” Source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/05/covid-hospitalizations-us-children-omicron-schools-hospitals https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/05/covid-hospit...

gilbetron 5y ago
Because an absolutely incredible increase in total cases, so of course hospitalizations are going up. However, it isn't going up unusually given the number of cases. Also, those numbers include kids in the hospital for other things, that test positive for covid. Finally, kids get put into the hospital quicker if they show issues with covid because that's what we do with kids if they are significantly affected by any pathogen.
- panarky 5y ago
  > it is anecdotes that are scaring people >> of course hospitalizations are going up It's not the anecdotes that are scaring people, it's the number of kids in hospitals that's scaring people.
timr 5y ago
> In New York, hospitalizations among kids quadrupled. In New York, hospitalizations among everyone more than quadrupled. So if kids quadrupled, they are doing better than average: https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/daily-hospitalization-summary https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/daily-hospitalization-summ... Quotes about staggering, flaming rocket ships aside, if you don't bother to normalize your data to a meaningful baseline rate, you're either not capable of objectively analyzing the situation, or you're trying to mislead. (It's also worth pointing out that in NY, something like 40-50% of "Covid hospitalizations" are unrelated to Covid, per the state's own statistics [1]) [1] https://gothamist.com/news/new-preliminary-state-data-shows-half-people-nyc-hospitals-covid-19-were-admitted-other-reasons https://gothamist.com/news/new-preliminary-state-data-shows-...