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CSVCHAIN - NFTs backed by CSV technology
- tiarafawn 5y ago> By purchasing an NFT you have the right to say that you are the person that purchased that NFT. Complete and accurate.
- testemailfordg2 5y agoFound this funny on the site, can you catch the pun. "All transactions are manually entered by Roy to minimized mistakes."
- thescribbblr 5y agoIs this a joke?
- rasmi 5y agoSee: https://csvchain.com/#faq https://csvchain.com/#faq
- serious_habit 5y agoAre NFTs a joke?
- oneplane 5y agoYes, this is an NFT.
- jedimastert 5y agoIt's a technically complete POC of NFTs, as far as I can tell.
- rfd4sgmk8u 5y agoMost NFTs are pretty much a scam, but: This is the kind of joke for people that think they are clever but don't really understand the situation. Its kind an ignorant position, reminds me of a 'brb downloading RAM' joke. Or sending someone a plastic Bitcoin. or Faxing dollar bills. Someone made a web site, ok. Guess we don't need fancy Blogging platforms now.
- rchaud 5y agoI imagine the ownership rights granted by minting on CSV would hold up in court exactly as well as NFTs minted on OpenSea. The RAM joke is quite obviously a joke because everyone knows that RAM chips are physical goods that are obviously finite in supply.
- rfd4sgmk8u 5y agoYou don't even need a cryptographic signature if it goes to court. It helps, but not specifically required. Also, a court has no power to overturn a blockchain transaction - unless they have a bunch of miners and energy to rewrite the chain. Some other differences include append only nature of blockchains. I don't know the ledger has not been modified or reordered or had entries removed. Also if the author doesn't like you, he could ignore your transactions or even drop the entry from the CSV. With say, Ethereum, you would be able to know all these things up front.
- literalsunbear 5y agoC'mon now.
- rfd4sgmk8u 5y agoThe point of this joke site is to say "look NFTs are just a set of records", while missing the whole point of trustless, censorship resistant, append only, peer to peer ledgers The thing is, we saw these jokes about Bitcoin 10+ years ago. Its easy to point fun at things that one doesn't really understand. I imagine lots of people see this joke and go "Ha! See! You dont need a blockchain" while missing the point entirely.
- boopboopbadoop 5y ago> The thing is, we saw these jokes about Bitcoin 10+ years ago. The bulk of which are probably still valid today, but you can’t understand because you have conflated price with value.
- mattwad 5y agoHaha, love it. I wonder if the typo in this line was intentional: > All transactions are manually entered by Roy to minimized mistakes.
- chewbacha 5y agoIt also makes the transactions atomic and serialized!
- selcuka 5y agoOnly if they are all entered by the same Roy!
- stjohnswarts 5y agoI love that it looks like the 90s was
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- fleventynine 5y agoA marriage certificate that you bought from some random guy on the street and has no legal significance.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 5y agoAre you arguing that you purchasing a picture from me on Opensea does?
- kgwgk 5y agoNo. You are the random guy and Opensea is the street. (And it’s not a picture/wife that you sell, is an NFT/certificate.)
- A4ET8a8uTh0 5y agoSure, but how am I different from million other guys on the street or Opensea. Lets start at the beginning. You have analogy wrong ( which is a problem with analogies - they are open to interpretation ). The joke part says the following: 1. You have a wife. 2. She is not behaving like your wife. 3. You have a marriage certificate saying she is your wife And NFTs follow the same pattern, because: NFTs say they are your wife. They do not behave like your wife ( everyone can have them ). You have a digital certificate saying that NFT is your wife regardless. ** As a guy on the street, I only see a value of selling fake wife certificate. I do not see value buying it. I hope I explained it right.
- kgwgk 5y agoWell, it seems you have your own analogy wrong ;-) [By the way, the “A marriage certificate that you bought from some random guy on the street and has no legal significance.” was not mine.] If the NFT is the wife, what is the certificate?
- jedimastert 5y agoThis is amazing. It might actually make it easier for me to explain what NFTs actually are if they're completely separated from a blockchain and the rest of the malarkey.
- neiled 5y agoThis sounds a lot like Matt Levine's newsletter today (Money Stuff). So funny!
- bambax 5y agoYes it does. It's curious since he's listed as the first owner on this, and just announced he was making an Excelchain (like CSVchain but with Excel -- the more technology the better I guess?) Matt Levine is a great writer. I have little interest in finance but enjoy his newsletter immensely. Highly recommended.
- stickfigure 5y agoTotally different from ExcelCoin! CSVCHAIN is platform-independent.
- gallamine 5y agothey're in reverse chronological orders so Levine's was just added.
- hulitu 5y agoI'm waiting for TXTCHAIN - NFTs backed by TXT technology.
- boopboopbadoop 5y agoI have one-upped TXTCHAIN with PAPERCHAIN. In order to ensure decentralization, I have a webcam pointed at my PAPERCHAIN paper ledger that is active at all times. Other PAPERCHAIN paper ledger node-people maintain the same setup, and they duplicate the changes I make to my PAPERCHAIN, and vice versa. Longest latency in the game, invest before it’s too late.
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- tgv 5y agoYeah, those poor emphatic NFT merchants. What’s next? Ridiculing MLM?
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- dang 5y agoPlease do not take HN threads further into flamewar. That's the most destructive thing you can do here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- actually_a_dog 5y agoSome ideas deserve to be mocked.
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- eMGm4D0zgUAVXc7 5y agoIt's not like it hasn't been done a million times. So what is the added value in repeating this hate-fest every day?
- TigeriusKirk 5y agoThere is no value in the endless repetition. There's also no value in getting worked up about it. The only viable response is to accept it's going to happen and have meaningful discussions elsewhere.
- actusual 5y ago> By purchasing an NFT you have the right to say that you are the person that purchased that NFT. Tell me more....
- m3kw9 5y agoNow this is a case where I’d use a blockchain like Ethereum instead
- bradtheappguy 5y agoI'm disappointed that I read the headline wrong. I thought these NFTs were powered by CVS technology.
- weare138 5y agoCVS blockchains are printed on one long continuous receipt and occasionally gives you $2.00 off NFTs if you have a CVS card.
- dang 5y agoAll: please keep threads like this from degenerating into the same-old-flamewar we've already had hundreds of times at this point. It has become super tedious. Also, tedious threads inevitably turn nasty (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=mind%20amuse%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...). If you have something genuinely new or curious to say, great. Otherwise please move on. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- markstos 5y agoNot to be confused with the CVS CHAIN.
- gcampos 5y agoIn the same vein: https://github.com/william-fields/witless https://github.com/william-fields/witless
- DanHulton 5y agoI have also built a site designed to poke a bit of fun at the idea of artificial scarcity on the internet: https://ipaidthemost.com/ https://ipaidthemost.com/ Came up with it before NFTs, but it's only more relevant these days.
- gcampos 5y agoThat is amazing! We should create a network of these practical jokes
- asciimike 5y agoI see that CSVCHAIN is "held in cold storage on this USB drive" a 1 GB thumb drive. This seems to imply an upper bound on the number of NFTs on CSVCHAIN. How, I wonder, does the creator of this project expect to scale CSVCHAIN beyond this limit? Additionally, can we secure guarantees that the project owner is safely ejecting the USB drive in question?
- weego 5y agoOnce Roy makes some $ he could horizontally scale to a 2GB drive. Or 2 1GB drives and keep one in his sock draw so it's distributed in his house.
- asciimike 5y agoIn the event of using 2 1GB drives with one stored in the sock drawer, how do we prevent the quite literal "evil maid" attacks altering the CSVCHAIN? Additionally, if we do use this mechanism, I petition to fork the name from CSVCHAIN to SockChain.
- xrd 5y agoI don't know how many times I need to repeat this FACT on this site, but socks are NOT immutable. How many holes do you have in your 7 year old socks? I'd wager a LOT. How many mismatched socks do you have in your drawer? I'd wager, AGAIN, a LOT. The only way to make this truly secure, is to have 2 USB thumb drives, plugged into a different side of the machine (god hope you have a machine with USB ports on both sides). Then, saw the machine in half, right down the middle. I'll find the crypto paper where I read about that.
- howdydoo 5y agoSocks are in fact immutable infrastructure. When your EC2 instance crashes, you shut it down and provision a new one. When your socks get holes, you throw them out and buy new ones. This isn't 2010 anymore, you really think people debug their servers and mend their socks?
- miracle2k 5y agoI'm a huge NFT enthusiast and collector. This project gets NFTs exactly right. It's frankly refreshing to see someone seemingly get it - most of the critiques are just so bad. It's just that: I don't see the problem at all. I'd encourage you all to buy NFTs on CSVChain, ideally from real artists committed to their craft.
- davesque 5y ago> How do I pay with cryptocurrency? > Easy, you just need to convert it to USD first. > Is this for real? > Sure > Is this performance art? > Maybe? Love it. I think Roy's making a killing off this.
- Johnie 5y agoCash is both ANONYMOUS and UNTRACKABLE. Bitcoin is only ANONYMOUS. Cash FTW!
- jbverschoor 5y agoNo it’s not.. cash bills have tracking numbers on them.
- shiado 5y agoHas anybody ever thought of something like a real world NFT? Imagine if you took a bunch of dried plant pigments and mixed them with oil and smeared them onto a canvas. Because it is physical it couldn't be duplicated or double-spent and it has a simple materials-based minting cost. I don't think anybody has done this before and there is probably a large market for buying and selling something like this. These are early days.
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- canarypilot 5y agoNext you will want a building in which to keep these objects, which will of course need heating and lighting (need I even start to compute the power cost…) and will take up real estate that could otherwise be used for apartments where people could literally LIVE! You’ve also failed to account for right clickers (so named for the click of a camera shutter, normally triggered by a button to the right of the camera) who can simply take a picture of your object and trade it as they like… This will surely reduce the value of any one of your works to zero! (In all seriousness, NFT’s gotta be stopped!)
- throw_nbvc1234 5y agoThis must explain the resurgence of Vinyl records; gotta have a physical music collection.
- gcampos 5y agoI got you fam: https://github.com/william-fields/witless#ntf-support https://github.com/william-fields/witless#ntf-support
- kingcharles 5y agoThanks, bestie
- rfd4sgmk8u 5y agoI like where the developer leaked the private key of the signing authority: https://github.com/william-fields/witless/commit/dc4a429b721fc9b5d5deeeb6dc27e18ca061d45e https://github.com/william-fields/witless/commit/dc4a429b721... The problems with this 'witless' proposal is that we have no way of auditing the supply, and politicians will betray the trust of the users by debasing it. Also, we have no trust anchor with the 'official witless key', which presumably should be considered compromised in the above commit. It also seems to depend on the file hosting services of a large software company for distribution of its public keys. The problem with these straw man arguments is they often miss the entire point of the technology, and folks read them and walk away without understand exactly the problems the parodied technology solves. This does have some humorous points, but generally leaves the reader with a confused and incorrect view of how both the USD and cryptocurrencies work.
- mwattsun 5y agoWhere's the smart contract capability? Smart contracts are important in certain applications, which is why I store purchases in XML and do transformative contracts in XSLT. Version 2.0 of XSLT is Turing-Complete, with the added advantage that XSLT syntax is a specialized form of XML, so I only have to use one syntax for coins and contracts. I call mine Dotcom Bubble Chain.
- easrng 5y agoMeh, why use XSLT when you could use Lisp? It's also homoiconic and you can claim it involves AI.
- mwattsun 5y agoI'm working on something even better. XMLambda (XMλ) implemented in Haskell, which is revolutionary and exciting such that I have investors throwing money bags of money over my backyard fence with a paper contracts attached (they don't trust other chains) https://academickids.com/encyclopedia/index.php/XMLambda https://academickids.com/encyclopedia/index.php/XMLambda
- chrischen 5y agoAssuming Roy is smart, his manually entering transactions is the smart capability.
- mpyne 5y ago> I call mine Dotcom Bubble Chain. It may or may not surprise you to find out that the U.S. Navy came ->this<- close to trying to standardize all data storage and data interchange on XML, in 2018, so that we could use XSLT and other XML technologies so that they could "Enable maximum use of commercial products built to this standard", "Improve cybersecurity at the data element layer by using the XML Security Assertion Markup Language (SAML) protocol", and "Enable compression of data using the XML EXI specification for efficient bandwidth usage over limited satellite communication channels".
- rchaud 5y agoCritical security flaw: right-clicking is enabled!
- Stratoscope 5y agoAh, but that only gives you the actual image, not the CSVCHAIN NFT that proves it is your image.
- bowmessage 5y agoright clicks inspects content
- Stratoscope 5y agoYeah. Like I said. You now have a copy of the image. But prove to me that you are the one and only owner of your copy of the image. That's what the CSV NFT gives you.
- bowmessage 5y agoI'm not just copying the image, I'm editing the "Owner" table cell 8-)
- Stratoscope 5y agoOh! You're the CSVCHAIN guy? Well then, your word is gold. ("Gold" is a fungible token used in primitive societies. One ounce of gold is as good as any other. What a strange concept!)
- mitchdoogle 5y agoI don't understand why people view the ability to copy something as a negative with NFTs. Everything can be copied. Even physical objects can be copied. Why does a museum buy a Van Gogh when they can just commission a replica, or easier yet, take a photo and print it on canvas?
- bowmessage 5y agoWow, transaction confirmation times are really slow. I've been waiting for my purchase to go through for an hour now.
- stjohnswarts 5y ago"Nothing will ever be prepended to this file" "we guarantee it"
- DevKoala 5y agoIs it censorship proof?
- scyclow 5y agoAmazing website! I think it also (inadvertently) paints a very clear value proposition as to why NFTs make more sense on a blockchain than on a central service.
- aaroninsf 5y agoFor one helium-filled glorious moment I misread the title and thought the store for this was some exploitation of CVS receipts.
- roycoding 5y agoThis is roycoding, the creator of CSVchain. Thanks everyone for checking it out. Just so you know, I currently have a bit of a backlog of requests to manually process. This was all very unexpected. I made this recently and then today started getting messages that Matt Levine wrote about something similar in his newsletter today. I tweeted at him and he then tweeted about it to his large following. So here we are on HN! If you've contacted me, I promise to message you back, but it might take a day or so.
- pcthrowaway 5y agoEven better: Shiitcoin, a zero-free blockchain whose ledger is Google Sheets: - https://github.com/nalinbhardwaj/shiit-coin - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dZpRryIuQ0
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- emptybottle 5y agoI know this is a gag, but it misses the point. NFTs are interesting because they support smart contracts, use a cryptocurrency wallet system to manage value and ownership, can be minted in quantities > 1, support unlockable content, etc.
- brandrada 5y agoSo, how do I mint these NFts that are backed using this technology?