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Shocking to me that "lockdown", ie. population-wide government-mandated house arrest, was ever accepted by the public as a viable option. COVID-19 doesn't effe

Shocking to me that "lockdown", ie. population-wide government-mandated house arrest, was ever accepted by the public as a viable option. COVID-19 doesn't effectively transmit outside, so mask mandates outside are at best useless.

dragontamer 5y ago
> COVID-19 doesn't effectively transmit outside, so mask mandates outside are at best useless. https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/01/07/deer-ohio-infected-novel-coronavirus-study-covid-19/9088013002/ https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/01/07/deer-ohio-inf... Are white-tailed deer commonly seen indoors? Or maybe, your assertion is full of crap.
- JSavageOne 5y ago
  Straight from your article: "It's possible the deer in northeast Ohio contracted it from contaminated water, since the novel coronavirus is shed in human waste. But alternative sources — such as trash, backyard feeders, bait stations and wildlife hospitals — have to be considered, Bowman said." What does this have to do with masks again? Perhaps you can organize a scientific experiment equipping half the deer with masks, and report back to us with the results.
  - dragontamer 5y ago
    You're saying that 33% of _ALL_ deer in Ohio were drinking from contaminated water? Maybe the original case came from water, but we all know that COVID19 is primarily a respiratory virus that spreads by breath and air.
    - zarzavat 5y ago
      It certainly seems likely that deer engage in behaviours outside that humans do not, that leads to much closer contact. I can think of at least one such behaviour. I don't think that wild animals are a good model for human epidemiology.
      - dragontamer 5y ago
        Occam's razor is that COVID-19 spreads in the outdoors.
        SheepSlapper 5y ago
        https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2021/08/how-safe-outdoor-activities https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2021/08/how-safe-ou... "A Japanese investigation of 110 cases found the probability of transmission to be 18.7 times higher indoors compared to an “open-air environment.” And a more recent study, which looked at transmission between 18 infected construction workers and 496 of their close contacts, showed that the infected individuals were nearly 25 times more likely to spread the virus to coworkers in enclosed spaces compared with outdoor settings. They transmitted the virus to 26 percent of their indoor coworkers while infecting only 1.4 percent of their outdoor workmates — this despite being significantly more likely to share meals and talk loudly while working outside." Does it EVER spread outdoors? Sure. Is it very likely to? Not even close. We've known this for a long time, and yet we still have municipalities welding basketball hoops shut and filling skate parks with sand.
        dragontamer 5y ago
        Define "outside". There's a restaurant close to me that's got "outdoor" seating. Its a tent with the sides down and heaters. It happens to match the legal requirements for "outdoor seating" in my county, but we all know that COVID19 is spreading everywhere inside that small tent. -------- Its not like people are social-distancing at national parks. People are abusing these declarations in ridiculous ways.
        throw10920 5y ago
        > There's a restaurant close to me that's got "outdoor" seating. Its a tent with the sides down and heaters. It happens to match the legal requirements for "outdoor seating" in my county, but we all know that COVID19 is spreading everywhere inside that small tent. > People are abusing these declarations in ridiculous ways. And yet, the declarations are also ridiculous, which is the point that OP was making (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29880264 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29880264). In the past (and maybe now, not sure) people have been required to social distance at national parks - or even forbidden from going to them at all. On the other side of "ridiculous": 6 feet of "social distancing" wasn't enough to begin with. Building and elevator capacities were a sham. And, my employer (and likely many others) skirted all of these ridiculous rules in ridiculous ways - which is the point, that regardless of how people behave (which isn't relevant for this discussion, so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up), some of the rules are still bad and useless. The vast majority of covid-related rules are unnecessary, hygiene theater, woefully inadequate, or some combination of all of those - and, yet, governments and people of a particular inclination insist on following this charade anyway and using various logical fallacies (e.g. strawmanning, as you did above) and emotional attacks on those that have the audacity to question them.
- throw10920 5y ago
  OP's exact words were "COVID-19 doesn't effectively transmit outside". Read the "effectively" - he's clearly not saying that it doesn't transmit at all (obviously it does if you go outdoors and then cough right into someone else's face from two inches away), just that it doesn't do so effectively. Deer don't do social distancing. They sleep together, and move around in herds for most of their day. COVID can both spread terribly outdoors (which it does) and lots of deer can get it exclusively outdoors.

dragontamer 5y ago

> COVID-19 doesn't effectively transmit outside, so mask mandates outside are at best useless. https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/01/07/deer-ohio-infected-novel-coronavirus-study-covid-19/9088013002/ https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/01/07/deer-ohio-inf... Are white-tailed deer commonly seen indoors? Or maybe, your assertion is full of crap.

JSavageOne 5y ago
Straight from your article: "It's possible the deer in northeast Ohio contracted it from contaminated water, since the novel coronavirus is shed in human waste. But alternative sources — such as trash, backyard feeders, bait stations and wildlife hospitals — have to be considered, Bowman said." What does this have to do with masks again? Perhaps you can organize a scientific experiment equipping half the deer with masks, and report back to us with the results.
- dragontamer 5y ago
  You're saying that 33% of _ALL_ deer in Ohio were drinking from contaminated water? Maybe the original case came from water, but we all know that COVID19 is primarily a respiratory virus that spreads by breath and air.
  - zarzavat 5y ago
    It certainly seems likely that deer engage in behaviours outside that humans do not, that leads to much closer contact. I can think of at least one such behaviour. I don't think that wild animals are a good model for human epidemiology.
    - dragontamer 5y ago
      Occam's razor is that COVID-19 spreads in the outdoors.
      - SheepSlapper 5y ago
        https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2021/08/how-safe-outdoor-activities https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2021/08/how-safe-ou... "A Japanese investigation of 110 cases found the probability of transmission to be 18.7 times higher indoors compared to an “open-air environment.” And a more recent study, which looked at transmission between 18 infected construction workers and 496 of their close contacts, showed that the infected individuals were nearly 25 times more likely to spread the virus to coworkers in enclosed spaces compared with outdoor settings. They transmitted the virus to 26 percent of their indoor coworkers while infecting only 1.4 percent of their outdoor workmates — this despite being significantly more likely to share meals and talk loudly while working outside." Does it EVER spread outdoors? Sure. Is it very likely to? Not even close. We've known this for a long time, and yet we still have municipalities welding basketball hoops shut and filling skate parks with sand.
        dragontamer 5y ago
        Define "outside". There's a restaurant close to me that's got "outdoor" seating. Its a tent with the sides down and heaters. It happens to match the legal requirements for "outdoor seating" in my county, but we all know that COVID19 is spreading everywhere inside that small tent. -------- Its not like people are social-distancing at national parks. People are abusing these declarations in ridiculous ways.
        throw10920 5y ago
        > There's a restaurant close to me that's got "outdoor" seating. Its a tent with the sides down and heaters. It happens to match the legal requirements for "outdoor seating" in my county, but we all know that COVID19 is spreading everywhere inside that small tent. > People are abusing these declarations in ridiculous ways. And yet, the declarations are also ridiculous, which is the point that OP was making (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29880264 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29880264). In the past (and maybe now, not sure) people have been required to social distance at national parks - or even forbidden from going to them at all. On the other side of "ridiculous": 6 feet of "social distancing" wasn't enough to begin with. Building and elevator capacities were a sham. And, my employer (and likely many others) skirted all of these ridiculous rules in ridiculous ways - which is the point, that regardless of how people behave (which isn't relevant for this discussion, so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up), some of the rules are still bad and useless. The vast majority of covid-related rules are unnecessary, hygiene theater, woefully inadequate, or some combination of all of those - and, yet, governments and people of a particular inclination insist on following this charade anyway and using various logical fallacies (e.g. strawmanning, as you did above) and emotional attacks on those that have the audacity to question them.
throw10920 5y ago
OP's exact words were "COVID-19 doesn't effectively transmit outside". Read the "effectively" - he's clearly not saying that it doesn't transmit at all (obviously it does if you go outdoors and then cough right into someone else's face from two inches away), just that it doesn't do so effectively. Deer don't do social distancing. They sleep together, and move around in herds for most of their day. COVID can both spread terribly outdoors (which it does) and lots of deer can get it exclusively outdoors.