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I'm vaxxed and mostly done. Already contracted Covid, have 2 vaccines, I'm down to get a booster every year or two, at my own leisure. Having vaccines mandate

I'm vaxxed and mostly done. Already contracted Covid, have 2 vaccines, I'm down to get a booster every year or two, at my own leisure. Having vaccines mandated every 6 months is not something I'm OK with and to be honest, it feels a lot like the government trying to deflect from the fact healthcare isn't OK (at least in my home country, Canada). There's always been risks to life and this feels more like governments are trying to convince people the risk should be zero so they can be the heroes while at the same time expanding their powers...

he0001 5y ago
How deadly does a disease have to be for you to feel it’s not worth the risk? 1%, 10%, 50%?
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  Depends how virulent. SARS, Ebola and others have come and gone. I've lost 3 people to cancer this pandemic. Been to 20+ funerals in my life and I'm barely over 30. Never lost anyone to any transmissible disease.
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- dham 5y ago
  Are you asking because you work in a gain of function lab :D? It's going to be hard for a virus to come from nature that can spread like the Flu and be as deadly as Ebola. The biggest societal threat besides a meteor or nuclear war is gain of function.
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  - umvi 5y ago
    > The biggest societal threat besides a meteor or nuclear war is gain of function. Nah, internal conflict is a bigger threat than even a meteor or nuclear war. A civil war happened once in the US, it could happen again. If not a civil war, a complete governmental collapse. All you have to do is keep polarizing and polarizing the sides to further and further extremes and eventually reap the consequences when the government collapses.
    - dham 5y ago
      I guess maybe I mean human race threatening? Civil war isn't going to wipe humans out completely I suppose. To answer the parents question though what does it take, well of course if people are seeing their neighbors bleed out of their eyes everyone is going to sign up for vaccines even if the vaccine could possibly kill you.
echelon 5y ago
Early on in the pandemic, I used to be in the camp that wanted mask mandates and vaccination passports. I see how dangerous and ineffective this is now. Governments are not good stewards. The virus will keep evolving to evade our vaccines. This is never going to end. We will never eradicate Covid, and we'll never reach vaccine-mediated herd immunity. The administration forcing a purge of unvaccinated US soldiers, government workers, and employees of companies that do business with the government is obscene. Not only is this government overreach, it's a political witch hunt. It's disemboweling of dissent from the ranks, which is chiefly undemocratic and un-American. I'm so angry at how this has been handled by both the Trump and the Biden administrations. Give people tools and understandable science (which Trump botched), but stop trying to become Big Brother (which is what Biden is doing). And above all, stop turning this into a political matter that toys with people's safety and employment.
- xboxnolifes 5y ago
  > The administration forcing a purge of unvaccinated US soldiers, government workers, and employees of companies that do business with the government is obscene. The one that seems odd in this list is soldiers. It's my understanding that soldiers already were mandated vaccines when put into areas where the particular diseases were common. I'm not sure why mandating covid vaccines for them during a global pandemic is different. Maybe there's context I'm missing, but when I first read about the backlash I was confused.
  - PeterisP 5y ago
    Not even solely "when put into areas where the particular diseases were common", the soldiers are mandated quite a few vaccines even before they leave basic training to everyone, no questions asked - https://usarmybasic.com/about-the-army/army-shots https://usarmybasic.com/about-the-army/army-shots
- syshum 5y ago
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redisman 5y ago
At some point we should (not) start charting and obsessively reporting all the other endemic viruses. I’m curious how anxiety inducing they are compared to Covid
- nsxwolf 5y ago
  I'm also curious. For the last several years some kind of enterovirus has been paralyzing hundreds of children in the US. Articles get written once in awhile, but no one ever talks about it. Yet COVID shuts down schools.
Insanity 5y ago
Tangentially, I recently moved to Canada and was surprised by the lack of quality healthcare.. Literally could not believe some walk ins have paper files and use fax, plus finding a GP apparently is a months long quest. Visiting a specialist took ages, and I wouldn’t say it was the best / most modern infrastructure there either. (And I went in downtown Toronto, must be so much worse for more remote places I guess). In the end we kind of shunned the public system and decided to go private healthcare instead. But (luckily) have not really had to take advantage of it) /rant
- evandwight 5y ago
  Unlikely to ever find a gp - Victoria Bc
- nopenopenopeno 5y ago
  American doctors all use fax machines and “heavy paper files” to transmit referrals. Who cares? An enormous amount of working Americans have no healthcare at all. Would you prefer that?
  - hutzlibu 5y ago
    Maybe with some modernisation the system would work better and therefore cheaper, so more people could afford it. In theory.
    - nopenopenopeno 5y ago
      That is not a theory anybody familiar with the matter tends to agree with.
    - AlexandrB 5y ago
      Honestly? I don't want the medical system to be "modernized". The advantage of paper files is it's much harder for a security breach at a single facility to lead to everyone's records being leaked to every bad actor out there. "Modern" industries like social media tend to leak personal information like a sieve.
celtain 5y ago
Why is there much difference between getting a booster every 6 months rather than every 12-24 months? Compared to lockdowns or even just mask mandates, both booster schedules seem like a pretty minor inconvenience given the pandemic-halting benefits.
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  > pandemic-halting benefits Currently we have the highest case numbers ever. How can you type this with a straight face? I'm OK with taking a vaccine for my own benefit, when I want. But don't pretend the vaccines have halted the pandemic.
  - celtain 5y ago
    You just said you're mostly done. If not the vaccine, what (mostly) ended the pandemic for you?
    - Mikeb85 5y ago
      Oh I'm beyond done with the pandemic itself. Honestly, have been since I got Covid (first wave). I went along with some things because I'm not a sociopath. The mostly part is that I'm open to get a vaccine now and then. The evidence shows they do seem to prevent serious complications when you do catch Covid. I'm not down with all the bullshit restrictions and government overreach that obviously isn't effective at anything except destroying the economy.
- csdvrx 5y ago
  I'd be glad to take boosters on any schedule, if only for said boosters we were using the mRNA advantage of short lead time and quick iteration to target the ACTUAL strain, not the one from 2 years ago...
  - p1mrx 5y ago
    Pandemics are likely to happen more regularly now that global travel is widespread, so I imagine a future where all the major viruses get tossed into a 6-12 month mRNA "antivirus update".
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sleepysysadmin 5y ago
Are you me? Same here. Fully vax and picked up omicron. 2 days bed. Every single flu I've ever had was worse than this covid. >Already contracted Covid, have 2 vaccines, I'm down to get a booster every year or two, at my own leisure. I will go get the flu shot. I don't know, nor care, what strains they are going for in the flu shot. I do know they tend to target different strains every year. They can mix match as much as they like. If coronavirus is the one they want to target this time, fine whatever. >I'm OK with and to be honest, it feels a lot like the government trying to deflect from the fact healthcare isn't OK (at least in my home country, Canada). 2 weeks to flatten the curve was only to prevent healthcare system from collapsing. But for whatever reason they switched to 'lets eradicate all illness by staying home and wearing masks. >There's always been risks to life and this feels more like governments are trying to convince people the risk should be zero so they can be the heroes while at the same time expanding their powers... Makes me wonder. why in history did we never try to end the flu season? there's clear starts and ends to the flu season. Mandate wearing mask in public stores seems like it eliminated flu and cold. Though you touch on an interesting thought. Has covid really been all about government expanding their power? I dont think covid was created for this purpose, but I certainly suspect they all jumped on board to using it as an excuse to expand their power.

he0001 5y ago

How deadly does a disease have to be for you to feel it’s not worth the risk? 1%, 10%, 50%?

Mikeb85 5y ago
Depends how virulent. SARS, Ebola and others have come and gone. I've lost 3 people to cancer this pandemic. Been to 20+ funerals in my life and I'm barely over 30. Never lost anyone to any transmissible disease.
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dham 5y ago
Are you asking because you work in a gain of function lab :D? It's going to be hard for a virus to come from nature that can spread like the Flu and be as deadly as Ebola. The biggest societal threat besides a meteor or nuclear war is gain of function.
- deleted 5y ago
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- umvi 5y ago
  > The biggest societal threat besides a meteor or nuclear war is gain of function. Nah, internal conflict is a bigger threat than even a meteor or nuclear war. A civil war happened once in the US, it could happen again. If not a civil war, a complete governmental collapse. All you have to do is keep polarizing and polarizing the sides to further and further extremes and eventually reap the consequences when the government collapses.
  - dham 5y ago
    I guess maybe I mean human race threatening? Civil war isn't going to wipe humans out completely I suppose. To answer the parents question though what does it take, well of course if people are seeing their neighbors bleed out of their eyes everyone is going to sign up for vaccines even if the vaccine could possibly kill you.

echelon 5y ago

Early on in the pandemic, I used to be in the camp that wanted mask mandates and vaccination passports. I see how dangerous and ineffective this is now. Governments are not good stewards. The virus will keep evolving to evade our vaccines. This is never going to end. We will never eradicate Covid, and we'll never reach vaccine-mediated herd immunity. The administration forcing a purge of unvaccinated US soldiers, government workers, and employees of companies that do business with the government is obscene. Not only is this government overreach, it's a political witch hunt. It's disemboweling of dissent from the ranks, which is chiefly undemocratic and un-American. I'm so angry at how this has been handled by both the Trump and the Biden administrations. Give people tools and understandable science (which Trump botched), but stop trying to become Big Brother (which is what Biden is doing). And above all, stop turning this into a political matter that toys with people's safety and employment.

xboxnolifes 5y ago
> The administration forcing a purge of unvaccinated US soldiers, government workers, and employees of companies that do business with the government is obscene. The one that seems odd in this list is soldiers. It's my understanding that soldiers already were mandated vaccines when put into areas where the particular diseases were common. I'm not sure why mandating covid vaccines for them during a global pandemic is different. Maybe there's context I'm missing, but when I first read about the backlash I was confused.
- PeterisP 5y ago
  Not even solely "when put into areas where the particular diseases were common", the soldiers are mandated quite a few vaccines even before they leave basic training to everyone, no questions asked - https://usarmybasic.com/about-the-army/army-shots https://usarmybasic.com/about-the-army/army-shots
syshum 5y ago
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redisman 5y ago

At some point we should (not) start charting and obsessively reporting all the other endemic viruses. I’m curious how anxiety inducing they are compared to Covid

nsxwolf 5y ago
I'm also curious. For the last several years some kind of enterovirus has been paralyzing hundreds of children in the US. Articles get written once in awhile, but no one ever talks about it. Yet COVID shuts down schools.

Insanity 5y ago

Tangentially, I recently moved to Canada and was surprised by the lack of quality healthcare.. Literally could not believe some walk ins have paper files and use fax, plus finding a GP apparently is a months long quest. Visiting a specialist took ages, and I wouldn’t say it was the best / most modern infrastructure there either. (And I went in downtown Toronto, must be so much worse for more remote places I guess). In the end we kind of shunned the public system and decided to go private healthcare instead. But (luckily) have not really had to take advantage of it) /rant

evandwight 5y ago
Unlikely to ever find a gp - Victoria Bc
nopenopenopeno 5y ago
American doctors all use fax machines and “heavy paper files” to transmit referrals. Who cares? An enormous amount of working Americans have no healthcare at all. Would you prefer that?
- hutzlibu 5y ago
  Maybe with some modernisation the system would work better and therefore cheaper, so more people could afford it. In theory.
  - nopenopenopeno 5y ago
    That is not a theory anybody familiar with the matter tends to agree with.
  - AlexandrB 5y ago
    Honestly? I don't want the medical system to be "modernized". The advantage of paper files is it's much harder for a security breach at a single facility to lead to everyone's records being leaked to every bad actor out there. "Modern" industries like social media tend to leak personal information like a sieve.

celtain 5y ago

Why is there much difference between getting a booster every 6 months rather than every 12-24 months? Compared to lockdowns or even just mask mandates, both booster schedules seem like a pretty minor inconvenience given the pandemic-halting benefits.

Mikeb85 5y ago
> pandemic-halting benefits Currently we have the highest case numbers ever. How can you type this with a straight face? I'm OK with taking a vaccine for my own benefit, when I want. But don't pretend the vaccines have halted the pandemic.
- celtain 5y ago
  You just said you're mostly done. If not the vaccine, what (mostly) ended the pandemic for you?
  - Mikeb85 5y ago
    Oh I'm beyond done with the pandemic itself. Honestly, have been since I got Covid (first wave). I went along with some things because I'm not a sociopath. The mostly part is that I'm open to get a vaccine now and then. The evidence shows they do seem to prevent serious complications when you do catch Covid. I'm not down with all the bullshit restrictions and government overreach that obviously isn't effective at anything except destroying the economy.
csdvrx 5y ago
I'd be glad to take boosters on any schedule, if only for said boosters we were using the mRNA advantage of short lead time and quick iteration to target the ACTUAL strain, not the one from 2 years ago...
- p1mrx 5y ago
  Pandemics are likely to happen more regularly now that global travel is widespread, so I imagine a future where all the major viruses get tossed into a 6-12 month mRNA "antivirus update".

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sleepysysadmin 5y ago

Are you me? Same here. Fully vax and picked up omicron. 2 days bed. Every single flu I've ever had was worse than this covid. >Already contracted Covid, have 2 vaccines, I'm down to get a booster every year or two, at my own leisure. I will go get the flu shot. I don't know, nor care, what strains they are going for in the flu shot. I do know they tend to target different strains every year. They can mix match as much as they like. If coronavirus is the one they want to target this time, fine whatever. >I'm OK with and to be honest, it feels a lot like the government trying to deflect from the fact healthcare isn't OK (at least in my home country, Canada). 2 weeks to flatten the curve was only to prevent healthcare system from collapsing. But for whatever reason they switched to 'lets eradicate all illness by staying home and wearing masks. >There's always been risks to life and this feels more like governments are trying to convince people the risk should be zero so they can be the heroes while at the same time expanding their powers... Makes me wonder. why in history did we never try to end the flu season? there's clear starts and ends to the flu season. Mandate wearing mask in public stores seems like it eliminated flu and cold. Though you touch on an interesting thought. Has covid really been all about government expanding their power? I dont think covid was created for this purpose, but I certainly suspect they all jumped on board to using it as an excuse to expand their power.