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If anyone is doubting how much influence US intelligence has over Danish intelligence: >Danish intelligence also helped the US agency to spy on the Danish fore

If anyone is doubting how much influence US intelligence has over Danish intelligence: >Danish intelligence also helped the US agency to spy on the Danish foreign and finance ministries as well as a Danish weapons manufacturer. The FE also cooperated with the NSA on spying operations against the US government itself. https://www.dw.com/en/danish-secret-service-helped-us-spy-on-germanys-angela-merkel-report/a-57721901 https://www.dw.com/en/danish-secret-service-helped-us-spy-on... The NSA made the Danish FE spy on both the Danish and US government. That is wild.

LatteLazy 5y ago
People think it's west Vs China or USA vs others. It's not. It's these "services" Vs the people they're meant to be serving.
- skinkestek 5y ago
  It is also the west vs China. Although not Westerners against Chinese (my kids are welcome to play with the Chinese kids next door and the Chinese next door are just as welcome as any other neighbor to a garden party). But it should be the world against crimes against humanity. And then we Westerners will also have to clean up our own systems; that is just as important, but a smaller task.
  - trasz 5y ago
    It’s not China who killed million random civilians in the Middle East. Was there a more severe crime against humanity in the past two decades?
    - didntknowya 5y ago
      apparently some crimes against humanity are worse than the others
    - somesortofsystm 5y ago
      Wasn't just a random million. Iraq lost 5% of its population to America's war of aggression.
    - aerostable_slug 5y ago
      Rwanda would come really, really close. It's arguably worse because those people weren't collateral damage — their deaths were the point of the exercise. We don't know how many people have died as a direct result of Chinese internal policies and we likely never will. They certainly cannot be believed with any statements about human rights, imprisonment, or executions on any level. I would likely extend that to education due to rampant cheating and the interests of the central government (to look as good as possible regardless of the facts), but that is a separate conversation. At the current rate, all ~13 million Uighurs in mainland China will effectively cease to exist in a generation or three. They'll still exist in genetic terms, but their culture will have been erased except for small pockets of holdouts, who will be hunted down and assimilated/imprisoned. This isn't to minimize the death toll of the War on Terror, but rather to not allow seriously bad actors to escape the scrutiny they deserve.
      - trasz 5y ago
        Why are Uighurs going to “cease” given their population is steadily increasing? And how is their culture eradicated when there are government programs to help it, and it’s being taught in schools?
        aerostable_slug 5y ago
        What are you talking about? The central government even banned a list of popular names to give newborns (sorry Muhammad, you can't have Muhammad Jr.). They are being culturally blunted and they will likely eventually be bred out of being a distinct group. https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-weekend-reads-china-health-269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-we... https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-prayer-weddings-occasions-9ca1c29fc9554c1697a8729bba4dd93b https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-pr... https://www.voanews.com/a/east-asia-pacific_voa-news-china_china-video-ad-calls-100-uighur-women-urgently-marry-han-men/6194806.html https://www.voanews.com/a/east-asia-pacific_voa-news-china_c... https://share.america.gov/china-coerces-uyghur-women-into-unwanted-marriages/ https://share.america.gov/china-coerces-uyghur-women-into-un... The latter two links are indeed .gov propaganda outlets, but their reporting on this issue is accurate. It's very easy to find more sources.
  - LatteLazy 5y ago
    I'd like that. It should be that. But it's really not. No one is actually willing to take any action on China sadly.
samwillis 5y ago
> “The FE also cooperated with the NSA on spying operations against the US government itself.” It’s long be standard practice for intelligence agencies in 5/9 Eyes to ask each other to spy on the others citizens when it would be illegal to do so themselves. The NSA for example would find it difficult to spy on Senators, this is there way around it. And there is no denying there has be a reasonable cause to in the last four years.
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  > And there is no denying there has be a reasonable cause to in the last four years. If there's actually reasonable cause go to a court, get a warrant and investigate.
  - mannerheim 5y ago
    We can't let archaic and outdated conventions like the Fourth Amendment get in the way of protecting citizens from themselves.
    - vintermann 5y ago
      Getting a hand-picked guy in a wig to sign off on it is just too much effort.
- hlbjhblbljib 5y ago
  > It’s long be standard practice for intelligence agencies in 5/9 Eyes to ask each other to spy on the others citizens when it would be illegal to do so themselves. This goes against the actual agreements in place, where they have to treat the other citizens as their countries do.
- skrebbel 5y ago
  > And there is no denying there has be a reasonable cause to in the last four years. Isn't this the same as saying that you don't think there should be fundamental rights for people you don't agree with?
dybber 5y ago
And it has been going on for 25 years, the deal being cited as the reason Bill Clinton visited Denmark in the 90’s (we usually never get visits from US presidents)
jollybean 5y ago
It's not wild at all. A Danish arms manufacturer planning on doing a deal with Gaddaffi during sanctions era? A member of the White House in Europe to meet with Russian contacts, off his calendar, in the middle of an investigation into possible illicit ties between the White House and Russia? The Head of US Olympics suspected of taking of bribes, having meeting with Addidas in Copenhagen with big money changing hands? There are plenty of things like that going on.

LatteLazy 5y ago

People think it's west Vs China or USA vs others. It's not. It's these "services" Vs the people they're meant to be serving.

skinkestek 5y ago
It is also the west vs China. Although not Westerners against Chinese (my kids are welcome to play with the Chinese kids next door and the Chinese next door are just as welcome as any other neighbor to a garden party). But it should be the world against crimes against humanity. And then we Westerners will also have to clean up our own systems; that is just as important, but a smaller task.
- trasz 5y ago
  It’s not China who killed million random civilians in the Middle East. Was there a more severe crime against humanity in the past two decades?
  - didntknowya 5y ago
    apparently some crimes against humanity are worse than the others
  - somesortofsystm 5y ago
    Wasn't just a random million. Iraq lost 5% of its population to America's war of aggression.
  - aerostable_slug 5y ago
    Rwanda would come really, really close. It's arguably worse because those people weren't collateral damage — their deaths were the point of the exercise. We don't know how many people have died as a direct result of Chinese internal policies and we likely never will. They certainly cannot be believed with any statements about human rights, imprisonment, or executions on any level. I would likely extend that to education due to rampant cheating and the interests of the central government (to look as good as possible regardless of the facts), but that is a separate conversation. At the current rate, all ~13 million Uighurs in mainland China will effectively cease to exist in a generation or three. They'll still exist in genetic terms, but their culture will have been erased except for small pockets of holdouts, who will be hunted down and assimilated/imprisoned. This isn't to minimize the death toll of the War on Terror, but rather to not allow seriously bad actors to escape the scrutiny they deserve.
    - trasz 5y ago
      Why are Uighurs going to “cease” given their population is steadily increasing? And how is their culture eradicated when there are government programs to help it, and it’s being taught in schools?
      - aerostable_slug 5y ago
        What are you talking about? The central government even banned a list of popular names to give newborns (sorry Muhammad, you can't have Muhammad Jr.). They are being culturally blunted and they will likely eventually be bred out of being a distinct group. https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-weekend-reads-china-health-269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-we... https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-prayer-weddings-occasions-9ca1c29fc9554c1697a8729bba4dd93b https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-pr... https://www.voanews.com/a/east-asia-pacific_voa-news-china_china-video-ad-calls-100-uighur-women-urgently-marry-han-men/6194806.html https://www.voanews.com/a/east-asia-pacific_voa-news-china_c... https://share.america.gov/china-coerces-uyghur-women-into-unwanted-marriages/ https://share.america.gov/china-coerces-uyghur-women-into-un... The latter two links are indeed .gov propaganda outlets, but their reporting on this issue is accurate. It's very easy to find more sources.
- LatteLazy 5y ago
  I'd like that. It should be that. But it's really not. No one is actually willing to take any action on China sadly.

samwillis 5y ago

> “The FE also cooperated with the NSA on spying operations against the US government itself.” It’s long be standard practice for intelligence agencies in 5/9 Eyes to ask each other to spy on the others citizens when it would be illegal to do so themselves. The NSA for example would find it difficult to spy on Senators, this is there way around it. And there is no denying there has be a reasonable cause to in the last four years.

Mikeb85 5y ago
> And there is no denying there has be a reasonable cause to in the last four years. If there's actually reasonable cause go to a court, get a warrant and investigate.
- mannerheim 5y ago
  We can't let archaic and outdated conventions like the Fourth Amendment get in the way of protecting citizens from themselves.
  - vintermann 5y ago
    Getting a hand-picked guy in a wig to sign off on it is just too much effort.
hlbjhblbljib 5y ago
> It’s long be standard practice for intelligence agencies in 5/9 Eyes to ask each other to spy on the others citizens when it would be illegal to do so themselves. This goes against the actual agreements in place, where they have to treat the other citizens as their countries do.
skrebbel 5y ago
> And there is no denying there has be a reasonable cause to in the last four years. Isn't this the same as saying that you don't think there should be fundamental rights for people you don't agree with?

dybber 5y ago

And it has been going on for 25 years, the deal being cited as the reason Bill Clinton visited Denmark in the 90’s (we usually never get visits from US presidents)

jollybean 5y ago

It's not wild at all. A Danish arms manufacturer planning on doing a deal with Gaddaffi during sanctions era? A member of the White House in Europe to meet with Russian contacts, off his calendar, in the middle of an investigation into possible illicit ties between the White House and Russia? The Head of US Olympics suspected of taking of bribes, having meeting with Addidas in Copenhagen with big money changing hands? There are plenty of things like that going on.