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Agreed, although that doesn't negate the presence of socialized health care.

by notch656a 5y ago

seanmcdirmid 5y ago
Yes, but at least there is more equity between poor and rich in this regard.
- notch656a 5y ago
  More like equity between middle class and rich. The poor are getting free stuff at expense of both.
  - seanmcdirmid 5y ago
    The rich have more because they have more money, giving poor people free stuff actually increases equity, it doesn’t decrease it. SS isn’t very equitable because of the income limits, payroll taxes in general are less equitable because they aren’t (very) progressive.
    - notch656a 5y ago
      One person being handed health care on a silver platter while I work the better part of a week to pay for it for my family doesn't sound equitable to me.
      - seanmcdirmid 5y ago
        You are assuming the poor in America aren't working hard and are having health care handed to them on a silver platter, neither of which is true in general. But sure, many poor people (who don't qualify for Medicaid) are looking forward to the day they turn 65 and can get healthcare benefits...hoping that they live that long enough to see any of that. Of all the developed countries, only America treats its non-rich citizens so harshly. Your implied advice that poor people should "just work harder and make more money!" isn't very useful.
        notch656a 5y ago
        Resorting to a bunch of straw-man attacks making lying and vicious, calculated claims to make me look like I've attacked the poor as "not working hard" is a really bad look for you. It's the look of someone who failed at making a cogent argument so they resort to a sob story about me attacking the poor. All I'm saying is it isn't equitable for one person (who could have not worked a day in their life) to be handed health care on a silver platter while I work the better part of a week to pay for it for my family. Do you not understand many on public health care don't have to work for the better part of a week to receive benefits, and never have? I'm not talking about old people who spent 40 years paying into the system.
        pessimizer 5y ago
        The person you replied to was being generous to your argument, and nothing but polite. The fact is that plenty of the "poor" work as much as you do, but you think they're somehow enslaving you because you get paid more. If you continued working the same job you have now, but at $7.50/hr, would it be fair to characterize your receiving the same health care you receive now as being handed to you on a silver platter?
        notch656a 5y ago
        >The person you replied to was being generous to your argument, and nothing but polite. And nothing says generous and polite by making the lying, vicious claim that I've assumed ' the poor in America aren't working hard' and that I implied 'that poor people should just work harder and make more money!' It's purely fiction designed to paint me as the evil denigrator of the poor. >The fact is that plenty of the "poor" work as much as you do, but you think they're somehow enslaving you because you get paid more. 'The fact' that both of you have to put words in my mouth (or alleged thoughts) to make your argument speaks volumes here. >If you continued working the same job you have now, but at $7.50/hr, would it be fair to characterize your receiving the same health care you receive now as being handed to you on a silver platter? By handed on a silver platter I was referring to someone capable of working, but who requests (and is handed) health care for free without performing any labor at all at the expense of someone working and paying an involuntary tax. I never said that was all or even most poor. I'm not referring to the poor person making 7.50 buying their own private health insurance. There's probably an argument from some perspective that 'equitable' could mean everyone works the same amount of labor (20 hours or whatever) per month to pay for healthcare, although I'm not sure even that would precisely be equitable. One able bodied person of equal insurance risk pool to another working BOTH more hours AND paying more for same insurance would certainly sound inequitable.

Agreed, although that doesn't negate the presence of socialized health care.

seanmcdirmid 5y ago

Yes, but at least there is more equity between poor and rich in this regard.

notch656a 5y ago
More like equity between middle class and rich. The poor are getting free stuff at expense of both.
- seanmcdirmid 5y ago
  The rich have more because they have more money, giving poor people free stuff actually increases equity, it doesn’t decrease it. SS isn’t very equitable because of the income limits, payroll taxes in general are less equitable because they aren’t (very) progressive.
  - notch656a 5y ago
    One person being handed health care on a silver platter while I work the better part of a week to pay for it for my family doesn't sound equitable to me.
    - seanmcdirmid 5y ago
      You are assuming the poor in America aren't working hard and are having health care handed to them on a silver platter, neither of which is true in general. But sure, many poor people (who don't qualify for Medicaid) are looking forward to the day they turn 65 and can get healthcare benefits...hoping that they live that long enough to see any of that. Of all the developed countries, only America treats its non-rich citizens so harshly. Your implied advice that poor people should "just work harder and make more money!" isn't very useful.
      - notch656a 5y ago
        Resorting to a bunch of straw-man attacks making lying and vicious, calculated claims to make me look like I've attacked the poor as "not working hard" is a really bad look for you. It's the look of someone who failed at making a cogent argument so they resort to a sob story about me attacking the poor. All I'm saying is it isn't equitable for one person (who could have not worked a day in their life) to be handed health care on a silver platter while I work the better part of a week to pay for it for my family. Do you not understand many on public health care don't have to work for the better part of a week to receive benefits, and never have? I'm not talking about old people who spent 40 years paying into the system.
        pessimizer 5y ago
        The person you replied to was being generous to your argument, and nothing but polite. The fact is that plenty of the "poor" work as much as you do, but you think they're somehow enslaving you because you get paid more. If you continued working the same job you have now, but at $7.50/hr, would it be fair to characterize your receiving the same health care you receive now as being handed to you on a silver platter?
        notch656a 5y ago
        >The person you replied to was being generous to your argument, and nothing but polite. And nothing says generous and polite by making the lying, vicious claim that I've assumed ' the poor in America aren't working hard' and that I implied 'that poor people should just work harder and make more money!' It's purely fiction designed to paint me as the evil denigrator of the poor. >The fact is that plenty of the "poor" work as much as you do, but you think they're somehow enslaving you because you get paid more. 'The fact' that both of you have to put words in my mouth (or alleged thoughts) to make your argument speaks volumes here. >If you continued working the same job you have now, but at $7.50/hr, would it be fair to characterize your receiving the same health care you receive now as being handed to you on a silver platter? By handed on a silver platter I was referring to someone capable of working, but who requests (and is handed) health care for free without performing any labor at all at the expense of someone working and paying an involuntary tax. I never said that was all or even most poor. I'm not referring to the poor person making 7.50 buying their own private health insurance. There's probably an argument from some perspective that 'equitable' could mean everyone works the same amount of labor (20 hours or whatever) per month to pay for healthcare, although I'm not sure even that would precisely be equitable. One able bodied person of equal insurance risk pool to another working BOTH more hours AND paying more for same insurance would certainly sound inequitable.