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We do, just for certain groups, such as elderly and the poor. Hell like 40% of births here are paid for by medicaid. But we have system here where only up to
by notch656a 5y ago
We do, just for certain groups, such as elderly and the poor. Hell like 40% of births here are paid for by medicaid. But we have system here where only up to upper middle class (~$142k) of income is paid to social security tax, so middle class pays for both poor and themselves, while poor pays for no one and rich disproportionately only pay for themselves.
- seanmcdirmid 5y agoThere is no income limit on Medicare payroll taxes, just social security.
- notch656a 5y agoAgreed, although that doesn't negate the presence of socialized health care.
- seanmcdirmid 5y agoYes, but at least there is more equity between poor and rich in this regard.
- notch656a 5y agoMore like equity between middle class and rich. The poor are getting free stuff at expense of both.
- seanmcdirmid 5y agoThe rich have more because they have more money, giving poor people free stuff actually increases equity, it doesn’t decrease it. SS isn’t very equitable because of the income limits, payroll taxes in general are less equitable because they aren’t (very) progressive.
- notch656a 5y agoOne person being handed health care on a silver platter while I work the better part of a week to pay for it for my family doesn't sound equitable to me.
- seanmcdirmid 5y agoYou are assuming the poor in America aren't working hard and are having health care handed to them on a silver platter, neither of which is true in general. But sure, many poor people (who don't qualify for Medicaid) are looking forward to the day they turn 65 and can get healthcare benefits...hoping that they live that long enough to see any of that. Of all the developed countries, only America treats its non-rich citizens so harshly. Your implied advice that poor people should "just work harder and make more money!" isn't very useful.
- notch656a 5y agoResorting to a bunch of straw-man attacks making lying and vicious, calculated claims to make me look like I've attacked the poor as "not working hard" is a really bad look for you. It's the look of someone who failed at making a cogent argument so they resort to a sob story about me attacking the poor. All I'm saying is it isn't equitable for one person (who could have not worked a day in their life) to be handed health care on a silver platter while I work the better part of a week to pay for it for my family. Do you not understand many on public health care don't have to work for the better part of a week to receive benefits, and never have? I'm not talking about old people who spent 40 years paying into the system.
- pessimizer 5y agoThe person you replied to was being generous to your argument, and nothing but polite. The fact is that plenty of the "poor" work as much as you do, but you think they're somehow enslaving you because you get paid more. If you continued working the same job you have now, but at $7.50/hr, would it be fair to characterize your receiving the same health care you receive now as being handed to you on a silver platter?