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Yes, definitely not true for all programmers. I guess with games, if you cannot get real time with instant compiles development experience with 120fps running 8

by bungle 5y ago

Yes, definitely not true for all programmers. I guess with games, if you cannot get real time with instant compiles development experience with 120fps running 8k in debug mode, there is a room for improvement. I compared highend 2010 desktop to highend 2021 laptop on my use case (which is arguably much lighter). And for my workloads, the laptop is no more a limiting factor (which is great, but not a leap from 2010 desktop). I can imagine todays desktops could be much better compared to todays highend laptops, but it feels like the most of what I do, there is little reasons to upgrade. Which is also great. With Macs the latest macOS support is removed usually from 5 years old machines, but that feels mostly baseless from technical perspective as with hacks you can still run the latest just fine. Perhaps it is a nostalgia / romancy. Having a 12 years old machine as you daily workhorse where upgrade was not a leap. That is something I haven’t seen before, and I have been in this industry since 90ies and a PC user since 80ies.

maccard 5y ago
> Yes, definitely not true for all programmers. I guess with games, if you cannot get real time with instant compiles development experience with 120fps running 8k in debug mode, there is a room for improvement. Day to day that doesn't matter. I work on multiplayer games, and being able to run 8/12/16 clients on one machine at 10 fps at ultra low graphics is far more important than being able to run stupid resolutions. You do bring up another point though - GPU performance. Apologies for the links but I'm on my phone, but [0] and [1] have 3dmark benchmarks for the M1 GPU and an RTX 3090 GPU - the 3090 scores twice what the M1 GPU does. This might not be important to you, but it is to some people. > And for my workloads, the laptop is no more a limiting factor Ultimately that's all it comes down to. If you're not limited by the form factor/performance of a laptop power to you, but some of us are! [0] https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-M1-GPU-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.503610.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-M1-GPU-GPU-Benchmarks-an... [1] https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-3090-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.495276.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-3090-GPU-Be...
- Aeolun 5y ago
  > the 3090 scores twice what the M1 GPU does It helps that you can buy a maxed out macbook pro for the price of a single 3090 though.
  - maccard 5y ago
    I can buy a high spec showhorse for $40k, or a new mid range sedan for $40k. That doesn't mean that the maxed out showhorse will work for commuting to work every day.
  - CobaltFire 5y ago
    A 3090 is $2300 right now, even paying the scalper tax. How much M1 MacBook Pro is that getting you? That said, I do wish the M1 GPU could game; my downtime hobby is the only thing stopping me from buying one.
    - jhickok 5y ago
      >A 3090 is $2300 right now, even paying the scalper tax. Where can you find that? lowest I can find is 2800 new. There are some pre-owned for 2700 and some open auctions at roughly 2300 but those will land substantially higher than 2300 I would imagine.
- Shorel 5y ago
  The 3090 is such an overpowered (and expensive) card, that another GPU doing half of what the 3090 can do is still damn right impressive. And in a Laptop!
  - amatecha 5y ago
    Yeah that's actually a serious compliment to the M1 GPU if the 3090 is merely double the scores?! I expected it should be like 4x or more! That's awesome.

by bungle 5y ago

maccard 5y ago

> Yes, definitely not true for all programmers. I guess with games, if you cannot get real time with instant compiles development experience with 120fps running 8k in debug mode, there is a room for improvement. Day to day that doesn't matter. I work on multiplayer games, and being able to run 8/12/16 clients on one machine at 10 fps at ultra low graphics is far more important than being able to run stupid resolutions. You do bring up another point though - GPU performance. Apologies for the links but I'm on my phone, but [0] and [1] have 3dmark benchmarks for the M1 GPU and an RTX 3090 GPU - the 3090 scores twice what the M1 GPU does. This might not be important to you, but it is to some people. > And for my workloads, the laptop is no more a limiting factor Ultimately that's all it comes down to. If you're not limited by the form factor/performance of a laptop power to you, but some of us are! [0] https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-M1-GPU-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.503610.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-M1-GPU-GPU-Benchmarks-an... [1] https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-3090-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.495276.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-3090-GPU-Be...

Aeolun 5y ago
> the 3090 scores twice what the M1 GPU does It helps that you can buy a maxed out macbook pro for the price of a single 3090 though.
- maccard 5y ago
  I can buy a high spec showhorse for $40k, or a new mid range sedan for $40k. That doesn't mean that the maxed out showhorse will work for commuting to work every day.
- CobaltFire 5y ago
  A 3090 is $2300 right now, even paying the scalper tax. How much M1 MacBook Pro is that getting you? That said, I do wish the M1 GPU could game; my downtime hobby is the only thing stopping me from buying one.
  - jhickok 5y ago
    >A 3090 is $2300 right now, even paying the scalper tax. Where can you find that? lowest I can find is 2800 new. There are some pre-owned for 2700 and some open auctions at roughly 2300 but those will land substantially higher than 2300 I would imagine.
Shorel 5y ago
The 3090 is such an overpowered (and expensive) card, that another GPU doing half of what the 3090 can do is still damn right impressive. And in a Laptop!
- amatecha 5y ago
  Yeah that's actually a serious compliment to the M1 GPU if the 3090 is merely double the scores?! I expected it should be like 4x or more! That's awesome.