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Awesome Self-Reference
- psychoslave 5y agoHere is the silly title I forged for myself: unique first utterer of this impredicative performative statement.
- psychoslave 5y agoOf course, both notions deserve credits: - impredicativity was coined by Bertrand Arthur William Russell - performativity was identified by John Langshaw Austin
- aappleby 5y agoOh c'mon, it doesn't even link to itself. ;)
- kazinator 5y agoHere you go: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29401449 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29401449
- mdaniel 5y agohttps://github.com/aztek/awesome-self-reference/blame/master/README.md#L55 https://github.com/aztek/awesome-self-reference/blame/master... was from 3 years ago
- FabHK 5y agoLike this? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29891928 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29891928
- skim_milk 5y agoMy favorite recursive music video has to be Radiohead - Burn The Witch. Difficult to explain, but easy to intuit. Brings the listener's reality into the equation at the end, establishing a recursive link. "Model village" Depeche Mode - Get the Balance Right! music video is an early example of computer-simulated recursive reality and really gets it right, a common trope nowadays.
- hrnnnnnn 5y agoMy fave is the video for Björk's Bachelorette by Michel Gondry. Self-reference is one of his signature moves. https://youtu.be/JNJv-Ebi67I https://youtu.be/JNJv-Ebi67I
- dhosek 5y agoPersonally, my own introduction to self-reference is the most excellent The Monster at the End of This Book, a literary work which I had the great pleasure to introduce to my kids upon discovering it on the shelves of our local public library.
- semireg 5y agoDO NOT TURN THE PAGE
- smitty1e 5y agoI like that the opening of "YYZ" by Rush features Neil Peart tapping out those letters in Morse Code => https://www.songfacts.com/facts/rush/yyz https://www.songfacts.com/facts/rush/yyz
- IIAOPSW 5y agoI have a small poem I wrote which I think is worth adding to the list. In haiku parse tree The oroborous told me "In haiku parse tree..."
- naasking 5y agoLast line could also be "now go to first line" or "restart at line one".
- bryanrasmussen 5y agoGo to is thought bad By many who don't want to Go to the first line
- the_arun 5y agoIs "recursion" analogous to self-reference in computing?
- beaconstudios 5y agopretty much, as is a circular dependency in OOP or dependency management.
- codazoda 5y agoThis comment is a lie.
- jayknight 5y agoBack in the early days of Reddit someone made digg and reddit posts that linked to each other. Can't find those now. I'm pretty sure the old/original digg content doesn't exist anymore.
- captn3m0 5y agoHN post that upvoted itself: https://news.ycombinator.com/edit?id=3742902 https://news.ycombinator.com/edit?id=3742902 (from 2012, before HN put CSRF protection in place). There must be a self-linking post as well, but I can't find it
- zizee 5y agosomeone did this for a tweet as well...
- mlok 5y agoI didn't know the Liar's paradox had a name :) Decades ago (after watching this scene from Labyrinth with David Bowie : https://youtu.be/ReFhu8KYbmU https://youtu.be/ReFhu8KYbmU ) as a teenager I wanted to make a sentence I could use in a conversation that would always self-reference wrong. First it was "I always lie." But this (less pretty) version was more "accurate" to me : "I always tell the opposite of the truth." "Lie" was too vague a concept : one could argue that a lie is "relative", because it depends on subjectivity = what the subject believes is the truth. The "opposite of the truth" is more "absolute" because the subject and his beliefs/knowledge are out of the equation.
- selcuka 5y ago> "I always tell the opposite of the truth." This is not a paradox though, is it? One can argue that you sometimes tell the opposite of the truth, and this is one of those times. > I didn't know the Liar's paradox had a name :) Liar's Paradox doesn't have a name.
- mlok 5y agoWell, I used the word "always" to make sure noone can argue I sometimes tell the truth. I am not sure I understand your point.
- selcuka 5y agoYes, but using "always" makes it a non-paradox. If you are someone who sometimes tells the truth you might have also said this sentence, which would make it (the sentence) simply "not true" instead of a paradox.
- alserio 5y agoTo disprove an universal quantification you need just a counter example of one instance, hence you are introducing an easy weakness
- mlok 5y ago> Liar's Paradox doesn't have a name. "Liar's paradox" is the "name" I discovered in this list today, to describe this kind of paradox. It has a wikipedia page, and pages in other encyclopaedias under this title. So I guess this is the most recognized name for it.
- dtjohnnymonkey 5y agoA couple more I thought of - “We Are In A Book” (Gerald & Piggie book) - characters refer to themselves being in that book - Godel, Escher, Bach (Douglas Hofstadter) - pretty much entirely about self-referential structures
- rolling_robot 5y agoApparently, "contents" line is missing in the contents.
- epic_nl 5y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drawing_Hands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drawing_Hands
- tmd83 5y agoHow does one do something like this https://github.com/mame/quine-relay https://github.com/mame/quine-relay Does anyone know the core concept?
- ffhhj 5y agoBy nesting Quines, this is the core concept: http://www.madore.org/~david/computers/quine.html http://www.madore.org/~david/computers/quine.html
- can16358p 5y agoLove it how it has a link to itself in Web examples section.
- NKosmatos 5y agoNice one! I remember seeing a short video, from a comment in HN, that was brilliant and was taking the idea of self-reference and our universe being a simulation to the extreme. (Spoilers follow) It was inside a big prison cell, where a new inmate arrived and there was an older man holding a box that contained a duplicate of the cell, but with real (identical) people. Someone could interact and see the results on 2 different levels/realities! Anyone remembers or knows what I’m describing?
- petrosagg 5y agoHere you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJj_NMhYwf0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJj_NMhYwf0
- NKosmatos 5y agoThanks for the discovery Petros :-) For other HN users (and future reference) the short film is titled "Room 8" by James W Griffiths [0], it won the BAFTA 2014 award for short film [1] and is based on a short script written by Oscar winning writer Geoffrey Fletcher. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_8_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_8_(film) [1] http://awards.bafta.org/award/2014/film/british-short-film http://awards.bafta.org/award/2014/film/british-short-film
- lordnacho 5y agoI've seen a couple of insurances recently of people who put up a photo of an index page of a textbook. In each case it was from a CS book, and the index of the word "recursion" has its own page number in it.
- OisinMoran 5y agoWhat a nice surprise to be reading through a great list like this (finding some lovely new things I'd never heard of like 13532385396179) only to come across my own Quine tweet! Previous HN discussion of that: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25244872 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25244872
- Emigre_ 5y agoI’m happy to see that the repo lists itself as one of the examples…
- timonoko 5y ago"The Most Beautiful Program Ever Written" should be in this list. https://youtu.be/OyfBQmvr2Hc?t=3383 https://youtu.be/OyfBQmvr2Hc?t=3383
- ek8v 5y agoBelieve it or not, I was at that PWL meetup in 2017! LISP and metacircular evaluation were definitely among the things that inspired the list. The "Micro-Manual for LISP" mentioned in the talk is on it.
- aaron695 5y ago
- snarfy 5y agoI was surprised to not see Droste cocoa in there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droste_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droste_effect
- mihaitodor 5y agoThe best example of this that I can think of is sharing your screen while showing your screen sharing app window.
- nier 5y ago…or simply connecting via screen sharing to your own screen.
- evrydayhustling 5y agoLove that the website lists itself. I snorted my coffee.