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Recharge time needs to be under 10 minutes or you have a pipe dream. 5-7 minutes would be better. Too many renters, condo owners, and small businesses with flee

Recharge time needs to be under 10 minutes or you have a pipe dream. 5-7 minutes would be better. Too many renters, condo owners, and small businesses with fleets don't have time to deal charging.

sulam 5y ago
The only time charging is a hassle is long road trips. And honestly the really fast chargers make that only marginally painful.
- krageon 5y ago
  Even on a long road trip most stops will be for peeing, a drink and maybe snacks. The times you actually need gas are few and far between (obviously, because cars are efficient these days and the tanks are quite big). If you're going to pee and get a sandwich with a meatball (or a hamburger, a sack of carrots or whatever it is counts as a snack for you) anyway, you may as well do so while charging your car. Given that even the really cheap ones can charge to a pretty significant level (80+%) in 20 minutes or so, these activities are compatible.
  - sulam 5y ago
    So, I recently took a trip that is 7.5 hours for a gas car (my friend did the same trip in her Audi) and took me 9 hours in my electric car with ~220 mile range. It definitely made me want to think about 400+ mile range cars, which seem to only be two makers: Tesla long range and the new Mercedes EQS. At least one of our stops (visiting Joshua Tree) was at a charger that I think is essentially a glorified 110v socket (ChargePoint in Yuca Valley). We charged there while eating breakfast and while it reduced the range anxiety some, getting to 80%+ was not on the menu. On main highways you're right, although traveling over the holidays led to at least one wait for a charging spot. To be fair, even the gas station had a line.
    - CRConrad 5y ago
      > ... 400+ mile range cars, which seem to only be two makers: Tesla long range and the new Mercedes EQS. Also the EQE, I would have thought? If not to begin with, then probably such a variant will be introduced as a follow-up. And maybe if you drive a Taycan reeeally carefully...?
occz 5y ago
Given that the average car spends 95% of its lifetime being parked, I don't think this is as big of an issue as you make it out to be.
- erosenbe0 5y ago
  Working class mothers with small children who live in apartments don't have time to jockey for a time or position to charge. It's a regression for them compared to gas. We're going to need a lot more infrastructure. A lot.
hinkley 5y ago
Witricity claims to have an inductive charger that works even with poor alignment or on the move. I was excited because they had signed Hyundai as a customer and it was rumored to be on the Ioniq 5 or 6 but it's not listed on a product sheet anywhere so I think that got scrapped. What's interesting about their design is that the end-to-end losses are within a couple percent of the end-to-end losses of a conductive charger (the losses move from the transformer to the induction coil).

Recharge time needs to be under 10 minutes or you have a pipe dream. 5-7 minutes would be better. Too many renters, condo owners, and small businesses with fleets don't have time to deal charging.

sulam 5y ago

The only time charging is a hassle is long road trips. And honestly the really fast chargers make that only marginally painful.

krageon 5y ago
Even on a long road trip most stops will be for peeing, a drink and maybe snacks. The times you actually need gas are few and far between (obviously, because cars are efficient these days and the tanks are quite big). If you're going to pee and get a sandwich with a meatball (or a hamburger, a sack of carrots or whatever it is counts as a snack for you) anyway, you may as well do so while charging your car. Given that even the really cheap ones can charge to a pretty significant level (80+%) in 20 minutes or so, these activities are compatible.
- sulam 5y ago
  So, I recently took a trip that is 7.5 hours for a gas car (my friend did the same trip in her Audi) and took me 9 hours in my electric car with ~220 mile range. It definitely made me want to think about 400+ mile range cars, which seem to only be two makers: Tesla long range and the new Mercedes EQS. At least one of our stops (visiting Joshua Tree) was at a charger that I think is essentially a glorified 110v socket (ChargePoint in Yuca Valley). We charged there while eating breakfast and while it reduced the range anxiety some, getting to 80%+ was not on the menu. On main highways you're right, although traveling over the holidays led to at least one wait for a charging spot. To be fair, even the gas station had a line.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    > ... 400+ mile range cars, which seem to only be two makers: Tesla long range and the new Mercedes EQS. Also the EQE, I would have thought? If not to begin with, then probably such a variant will be introduced as a follow-up. And maybe if you drive a Taycan reeeally carefully...?

occz 5y ago

Given that the average car spends 95% of its lifetime being parked, I don't think this is as big of an issue as you make it out to be.

erosenbe0 5y ago
Working class mothers with small children who live in apartments don't have time to jockey for a time or position to charge. It's a regression for them compared to gas. We're going to need a lot more infrastructure. A lot.

hinkley 5y ago

Witricity claims to have an inductive charger that works even with poor alignment or on the move. I was excited because they had signed Hyundai as a customer and it was rumored to be on the Ioniq 5 or 6 but it's not listed on a product sheet anywhere so I think that got scrapped. What's interesting about their design is that the end-to-end losses are within a couple percent of the end-to-end losses of a conductive charger (the losses move from the transformer to the induction coil).