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You can happily ignore anyone who says hot dogs aren't sandwiches. By all definitions, they unquestionably ARE sandwiches. The only argument against it is based

by bryans 5y ago

You can happily ignore anyone who says hot dogs aren't sandwiches. By all definitions, they unquestionably ARE sandwiches. The only argument against it is based on whether a hot dog bun is one piece of bread or two, except it doesn't matter, because one piece of bread (or a split roll) is still a sandwich. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sandwich https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sandwich 1a: two or more slices of bread or a split roll having a filling in between 1b: one slice of bread covered with food By the anti-sandwich lobby's logic, if you were to build a ham and cheese sandwich using one piece of bread and then folded it in the middle to make it look and function like a "traditional" double breaded sandwich, it would somehow magically no longer qualify as a sandwich -- and that's just plain absurd.

Dylan16807 5y ago
Do you consider tacos to be sandwiches? (Yes I think a tortilla is a valid bread for this.) > By the anti-sandwich lobby's logic, if you were to build a ham and cheese sandwich using one piece of bread and then folded it in the middle to make it look and function like a "traditional" double breaded sandwich, it would somehow magically no longer qualify as a sandwich -- and that's just plain absurd. I don't think it requires magic to say that a sub sandwich is not a true sandwich. Also those people wouldn't say you had a sandwich to start with. It's reasonable to say that open-faced sandwiches aren't true sandwiches, and I think people would agree that the folded version is either equally or more sandwichy than an open-face. The question is where the exact threshold lies. Are both sandwiches? Just the folded one? Neither? Don't get too hung up on the dictionary definition you quoted. Dictionaries are over-inclusive and include very casual language. Spiders are not actually bugs, even though people sometimes use the word that way and you can find it in a dictionary.
- bryans 5y ago
  > I don't think it requires magic to say that a sub sandwich is not a true sandwich. It requires the most absurd magic to say that a sub is not a sandwich. It's literally everything that you call a sandwich without any differences whatsoever. It's only nicknamed a "sub" because the shape of the bread resembles a submarine. That's it. Your completely arbitrary limitation of a sandwich being two square-shaped pieces of bread simply doesn't reflect reality. > Dictionaries are over-inclusive and include very casual language. The irony is rich, given that you're trying to redefine words to have completely different meanings than the original.
  - Dylan16807 5y ago
    Okay I think there was a misunderstanding here. First: When I said the dictionary was over-inclusive, I was implying that your 1b might be wrong. The definition that includes "open faced sandwiches". It's not clear whether those should count. Yes, even though "sandwich" is in the name. Like how a veggie hamburger isn't actually a hamburger. They are an alternate version of a sandwich, on par with a pizza. Second: I wasn't clear about subs. I thought context would help, but I guess not enough. So, trying again. If you take a loaf and cut it in two, and put stuff in between, everyone will agree that's a sandwich. It's not about the kind of bread or anything. Where some people disagree is when you don't cut the loaf all the way, when you no longer have "pieces of bread" at all. > The irony is rich But do you disagree with what I said there about bugs? Also you didn't answer about tacos. That's not a gotcha, I want to understand how you draw the line and how you interpret the dictionary definition. I don't want to put words in your mouth or guess, and it looks really stupid whenever I make a choose-your-own-adventure argument.
dragonwriter 5y ago
> You can happily ignore anyone who says hot dogs aren't sandwiches Hot dogs are tacos, not sandwiches, per the cube rule. [0] [0] https://cuberule.com/ https://cuberule.com/
- bryans 5y ago
  Yes, let's throw out logic and reason in favor of internet satire. That site can be summarized as "take your sandwich, turn it on its side, and BOOM, not a sandwich anymore, bro!" These are world-is-flat arguments.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > Yes, let's throw out logic and reason in favor of internet satire Arguing the boundaries of arbitrary semantic categories with no significance isn't something “logic or reason” plays a whole lot of role in in any case [0]; what is on display is a whole lot of emotional attachment backed with a abusive language, not “logic and reason”. [0] Which is, of course, what the site is satirizing.
  - dllthomas 5y ago
    > "take your sandwich, turn it on its side, and BOOM, not a sandwich anymore, bro!" All of the cube rule starch configurations can be distinguished independently of orientation.

by bryans 5y ago

Dylan16807 5y ago

Do you consider tacos to be sandwiches? (Yes I think a tortilla is a valid bread for this.) > By the anti-sandwich lobby's logic, if you were to build a ham and cheese sandwich using one piece of bread and then folded it in the middle to make it look and function like a "traditional" double breaded sandwich, it would somehow magically no longer qualify as a sandwich -- and that's just plain absurd. I don't think it requires magic to say that a sub sandwich is not a true sandwich. Also those people wouldn't say you had a sandwich to start with. It's reasonable to say that open-faced sandwiches aren't true sandwiches, and I think people would agree that the folded version is either equally or more sandwichy than an open-face. The question is where the exact threshold lies. Are both sandwiches? Just the folded one? Neither? Don't get too hung up on the dictionary definition you quoted. Dictionaries are over-inclusive and include very casual language. Spiders are not actually bugs, even though people sometimes use the word that way and you can find it in a dictionary.

bryans 5y ago
> I don't think it requires magic to say that a sub sandwich is not a true sandwich. It requires the most absurd magic to say that a sub is not a sandwich. It's literally everything that you call a sandwich without any differences whatsoever. It's only nicknamed a "sub" because the shape of the bread resembles a submarine. That's it. Your completely arbitrary limitation of a sandwich being two square-shaped pieces of bread simply doesn't reflect reality. > Dictionaries are over-inclusive and include very casual language. The irony is rich, given that you're trying to redefine words to have completely different meanings than the original.
- Dylan16807 5y ago
  Okay I think there was a misunderstanding here. First: When I said the dictionary was over-inclusive, I was implying that your 1b might be wrong. The definition that includes "open faced sandwiches". It's not clear whether those should count. Yes, even though "sandwich" is in the name. Like how a veggie hamburger isn't actually a hamburger. They are an alternate version of a sandwich, on par with a pizza. Second: I wasn't clear about subs. I thought context would help, but I guess not enough. So, trying again. If you take a loaf and cut it in two, and put stuff in between, everyone will agree that's a sandwich. It's not about the kind of bread or anything. Where some people disagree is when you don't cut the loaf all the way, when you no longer have "pieces of bread" at all. > The irony is rich But do you disagree with what I said there about bugs? Also you didn't answer about tacos. That's not a gotcha, I want to understand how you draw the line and how you interpret the dictionary definition. I don't want to put words in your mouth or guess, and it looks really stupid whenever I make a choose-your-own-adventure argument.

dragonwriter 5y ago

> You can happily ignore anyone who says hot dogs aren't sandwiches Hot dogs are tacos, not sandwiches, per the cube rule. [0] [0] https://cuberule.com/ https://cuberule.com/

bryans 5y ago
Yes, let's throw out logic and reason in favor of internet satire. That site can be summarized as "take your sandwich, turn it on its side, and BOOM, not a sandwich anymore, bro!" These are world-is-flat arguments.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > Yes, let's throw out logic and reason in favor of internet satire Arguing the boundaries of arbitrary semantic categories with no significance isn't something “logic or reason” plays a whole lot of role in in any case [0]; what is on display is a whole lot of emotional attachment backed with a abusive language, not “logic and reason”. [0] Which is, of course, what the site is satirizing.
- dllthomas 5y ago
  > "take your sandwich, turn it on its side, and BOOM, not a sandwich anymore, bro!" All of the cube rule starch configurations can be distinguished independently of orientation.