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A more recent example of "how the heck do I pronounce this word" is Bazel, the build system. I've always pronounced it like "hazel", but many of my colleagues
by Stratoscope 5y ago
A more recent example of "how the heck do I pronounce this word" is Bazel, the build system.
I've always pronounced it like "hazel", but many of my colleagues rhyme it with "dazzle".
The Bazel website even has an FAQ entry about it, but they managed to completely confuse the issue:
> How do you pronounce “Bazel”?
> The same way as “basil” (the herb) in US English: “BAY-zel”. It rhymes with “hazel”. IPA: /ˈbeɪzˌəl/
https://bazel.build/faq.html https://bazel.build/faq.html
Little problem here... Basil, the herb, can be pronounced either like hazel or like dazzle. Or even rhymed with hassle!
So naturally I opened a PR attempting to clarify this. It led to an interesting discussion, and in the end I wrote a bad poem acknowledging both pronunciations:
https://github.com/bazelbuild/bazel-website/pull/323 https://github.com/bazelbuild/bazel-website/pull/323
- nostromo 5y agoI know MS Azure is Aah-zhur, but I hear it called uh-Zhur more often than not. Don’t even get me started on the fourteen incorrect ways to say Omicron…
- Stratoscope 5y ago> Aah-zhur So do you pronounce the "Aah" like the "o" in "otter", or like the "a" in "apple"? Isn't it fun trying to describe pronunciation with contrived spelling? :-)
- harrylove 5y agoEmphasis on the first syllable. Short A as in apple. [0] [0] https://youtu.be/AmP11EgEM4g https://youtu.be/AmP11EgEM4g
- ineedtosleep 5y agoIndeed. Much easier to use IPA here, but the likelihood people can write/read it is pretty low. I'm out of practice, but should be /æʒər/. Could also copy-paste that into here: http://ipa-reader.xyz/ http://ipa-reader.xyz/
- azalemeth 5y agoMy main hobby is choral singing. Learning IPA is insanely helpful; at a high level the pronunciation of words really really matters and making sure the choir place the vowels (and turn the dipthongs) in the same way is a big deal (think of Anthea Turner singing 'fire' in a pop song compared to a baroque English 'fire'). I've noticed consistently that more British people are familiar with IPA, even passingly or badly, than Americans. I've never quite known why -- unless you do a language degree here you're never taught it formally, but it's usually in the dictionaries (e.g. the Oxford English dictionary) by every word, often with multiple forms for different geographic regions. I've never actually seen a real physical en-us dictionary -- does Marriam Webster (sic) do the same?
- istjohn 5y agoIt's my impression that there's a larger variety of accents in the UK, maybe that's why British people are more familiar with IPA? We do have IPA in our dictionaries, though.
- justsomehnguy 5y ago> you're never taught it formally, but it's usually in the dictionaries Amusingly, I don't ever remember a proper IPA pronuncation table in almost anything I used to learn English. > does Marriam Webster (sic) do the same? Looks like it [0] [0] https://shop.merriam-webster.com/collections/dictionaries/products/merriam-websters-dictionary-and-thesaurus-trade-paperback https://shop.merriam-webster.com/collections/dictionaries/pr...
- Jaruzel 5y agoHere in London, UK it's mostly pronounced Ah-zuuure. With the 'zuure' part being almost twice as long as how americans say it. I think I've ipa'd this right: http://ipa-reader.xyz/?text=%2F%C3%A6%CA%92%C9%9C%C9%9Cr%2F http://ipa-reader.xyz/?text=%2F%C3%A6%CA%92%C9%9C%C9%9Cr%2F (It sounds correct anyway)
- jcims 5y agoThe Azure difference at my company very closely aligned with office location relative to the Atlantic Ocean. Aah-zhur to the west, uh-Zhur to the east.
- elygre 5y agoOut of curiosity, how do you know that it's Aah-zhur? Does Microsoft offer any guidance on the topic? (Honest question, I'm confused myself. An authoritative source would be awesome.)
- cercatrova 5y agoWatch some Microsoft Azure talks, they pronounce it ah-zur not uh-zur or ay-zur
- echelon 5y agoNot BUH-zel, as some of us affectionately call it?
- Stratoscope 5y agoNow we should start spelling it "Buzzle"! But then it wouldn't be an anagram for "Blaze" any more. (That's Google's internal build system that Bazel is derived from.)
- hodgesrm 5y agoYour poem does the subject justice. Just in case you have not seen it before, one who writes bad poetry is a poetaster, which the OED [0] defines as: A petty or paltry poet; a writer of poor or trashy verse; a rimester. I should very much like to be known as a rimester. It sounds adventurous. [0] Oxford English Dictionary, 1989. No link; it's a handy 20 volume set.
- pwdisswordfish9 5y agoCo za bajzel
- krcz 5y agoFor the people wondering what is that comment doing here: in Polish it means "what a mess".
- menage 5y agoI've always pronounced it the same as Basel, the city in Switzerland.
- elygre 5y agoUh, the way the Swiss pronounce Basel, or the way the English do?
- drcongo 5y agoIt's pronounced baal I believe.
- kybernetikos 5y agoIn French but not in Swiss German.
- drcongo 5y agoDidn't know that, thanks!
- Spare_account 5y ago>the way the Swiss pronounce Basel You may have been making a veiled reference to the fact that the Swiss pronounce it three different ways themselves, but just in case you weren't: https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowTopic-g188049-i752-k2842412-How_is_it_really_pronounced-Basel.html https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowTopic-g188049-i752-k284241... >The locals say without any doubt "Basel" with a long "a". So do the germans. >So, in american it is something like "Baahsel" >Some english folks pronounce it "Baahl", so do the french, who write it "Bâle". >In italian, by the way, it is "Basilea".
- cynix 5y ago> The locals say without any doubt "Basel" with a long "a". I always find “long ‘a’” very unclear. Is it long like “ate” or long like “art”?
- charcircuit 5y agoIt also doesn't help that in the recommend setup that running bazel actually runs bazelisk which would give it the dazzle pronunciation.
- Stratoscope 5y agoFunny you mention that. My company just switched to Bazelisk; it was the first time I'd heard of it. Or I should say, read about it, because I've never heard it pronounced out loud. Even though I say BAY-zuhl, my inner mind reads Bazelisk as BAZZ-uh-lisk. No doubt because I knew the reference to Roko's Basilisk, which I'd always pronounced BASS-ihl-isk. Again in my inner mind, because I don't think I've ever heard that word pronounced either. So I might say "We run BAY-zuhl using BAZZ-uh-lisk." And my mind doesn't put a red flag on the inconsistency, it seems perfectly natural. Just like I eat sea bass and listen to bass guitar!
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- jpgvm 5y agoMost wholesome GH thread I have read in a while. I for one appreciate your most terrible poetry.
- mehrdada 5y agoOr just call it blaze :)