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Is it really ao hard so believe non skilled jobs have it this hard? Retail sucks, most service jobs suck and exploit workers. They found class consciousness thr

Is it really ao hard so believe non skilled jobs have it this hard? Retail sucks, most service jobs suck and exploit workers. They found class consciousness through anger.

fivea 5y ago
> Is it really ao hard so believe non skilled jobs have it this hard? What makes this gaslighting attempts so mind-numbingly pathetic is the fact that even some FANGs, which are supposedly references in terms of high-quality, highly-paid work, are renowned for their poor working conditions and hiring processes. And they have been known for that for around a decade, now. If this is an expected occurrence in high-quality work in fields where the job market is firmly on the worker's side, why are these guys trying to fool everyone into believing that abusive workplaces are completely unheard of in other less fortunate sectors?
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black_13 5y ago
ikr678 5y ago
Reading antiwork last year, I feel it should have been called antimanagement. Regardless of class of work (white vs blue collar), a bad manager is going to destroy any job satisfaction that might have been derived. Contemporary workforce management is a skillset that doesnt get taught in school, and in all of these low skilled jobs that are posted to /antiwork, people are being managed by probably equally low skilled managers. Throughout my career, every job I have left is largely because I didnt like how I was being managed. That has always been the impetus to go out and apply for a new role. The best manager I've ever had was in warehousing temp job, and I'd go back to him in a heartbeat if I wanted a break from corporate drudgery.
- oceanghost 5y ago
  I have news for you. Your manager is just implementing his managers agenda, and so forth-- which almost always goes straight back to a VP or C level guy. Managers generally have very little latitude-- they're given X many resources to do a task in Y amount of time, and that has been chosen for them. I am not defending bad managers-- but, they are there precisely to deliver to you the bad work environment that the CEO would rather not have blamed on him.
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  - ikr678 5y ago
    I am aware of that, but my definition of a good manager is someone who was forward looking and focused on clearing roadblocks to allow the team to function properly, and can get the team aligned with the business needs. If I am being asked to go above and beyond in a role, but the same is not being asked of my coworkers, or I see HR policy against staff being enforced selectively, this is the classic 'bad management' that immediately gets me offside and I am no longer as interested in work.
    - boppo1 5y ago
      > someone who was forward looking and focused on clearing roadblocks to allow the team to function properly, and can get the team aligned with the business needs. Restaurant management is more like "Four necessary people didn't show up today, so you get to juggle bussing tables and doing dishes while you argue with the ones who did turn up about the extra work they'll have to do."
    - giraffe_lady 5y ago
      This is a very white collar view of a manager. Hourly wage workers have a relationship that is much more like supervisor or overseer. They actively police your activities, timing, behavior, in ways office workers don't deal with near as much. Anyway why do you care so much about what your coworkers are doing or how policies are being applied to them? You don't know what's going on with them, why not just focus on your work.
edmcnulty101 5y ago
Hell most skilled jobs suck. There's probably very few jobs that actually are good for the worker.
- noahtallen 5y ago
  And this is the exact point of the whole subreddit and movement :) Most of us in the tech world have the benefit of huge salaries, amazing benefits, and a lot of control over our working conditions. And yet many, if not most, of us still experience a significant amount of work-related stress. Why should anyone accept this as the status quo?
  - hoseja 5y ago
    >Most of us in the tech world Your concept of tech world must be very narrow.

Is it really ao hard so believe non skilled jobs have it this hard? Retail sucks, most service jobs suck and exploit workers. They found class consciousness through anger.

fivea 5y ago

> Is it really ao hard so believe non skilled jobs have it this hard? What makes this gaslighting attempts so mind-numbingly pathetic is the fact that even some FANGs, which are supposedly references in terms of high-quality, highly-paid work, are renowned for their poor working conditions and hiring processes. And they have been known for that for around a decade, now. If this is an expected occurrence in high-quality work in fields where the job market is firmly on the worker's side, why are these guys trying to fool everyone into believing that abusive workplaces are completely unheard of in other less fortunate sectors?

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black_13 5y ago

ikr678 5y ago

Reading antiwork last year, I feel it should have been called antimanagement. Regardless of class of work (white vs blue collar), a bad manager is going to destroy any job satisfaction that might have been derived. Contemporary workforce management is a skillset that doesnt get taught in school, and in all of these low skilled jobs that are posted to /antiwork, people are being managed by probably equally low skilled managers. Throughout my career, every job I have left is largely because I didnt like how I was being managed. That has always been the impetus to go out and apply for a new role. The best manager I've ever had was in warehousing temp job, and I'd go back to him in a heartbeat if I wanted a break from corporate drudgery.

oceanghost 5y ago
I have news for you. Your manager is just implementing his managers agenda, and so forth-- which almost always goes straight back to a VP or C level guy. Managers generally have very little latitude-- they're given X many resources to do a task in Y amount of time, and that has been chosen for them. I am not defending bad managers-- but, they are there precisely to deliver to you the bad work environment that the CEO would rather not have blamed on him.
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- ikr678 5y ago
  I am aware of that, but my definition of a good manager is someone who was forward looking and focused on clearing roadblocks to allow the team to function properly, and can get the team aligned with the business needs. If I am being asked to go above and beyond in a role, but the same is not being asked of my coworkers, or I see HR policy against staff being enforced selectively, this is the classic 'bad management' that immediately gets me offside and I am no longer as interested in work.
  - boppo1 5y ago
    > someone who was forward looking and focused on clearing roadblocks to allow the team to function properly, and can get the team aligned with the business needs. Restaurant management is more like "Four necessary people didn't show up today, so you get to juggle bussing tables and doing dishes while you argue with the ones who did turn up about the extra work they'll have to do."
  - giraffe_lady 5y ago
    This is a very white collar view of a manager. Hourly wage workers have a relationship that is much more like supervisor or overseer. They actively police your activities, timing, behavior, in ways office workers don't deal with near as much. Anyway why do you care so much about what your coworkers are doing or how policies are being applied to them? You don't know what's going on with them, why not just focus on your work.

edmcnulty101 5y ago

Hell most skilled jobs suck. There's probably very few jobs that actually are good for the worker.

noahtallen 5y ago
And this is the exact point of the whole subreddit and movement :) Most of us in the tech world have the benefit of huge salaries, amazing benefits, and a lot of control over our working conditions. And yet many, if not most, of us still experience a significant amount of work-related stress. Why should anyone accept this as the status quo?
- hoseja 5y ago
  >Most of us in the tech world Your concept of tech world must be very narrow.