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You should be more concerned with the psychological effects of birth control, which in my opinion are drastically understated and underesearched. We are toying

You should be more concerned with the psychological effects of birth control, which in my opinion are drastically understated and underesearched. We are toying with the hormones of tens of millions of women and the vast majority are unaware of the potential differences in decisionmaking and behavior. There are secondary effects as well, for example, women have been shown to select for more dominant, aggressive men when fertile and meeker providers when not - how might that shape our social landscape, if a sizable proportion of women are kept permanently in a hormonally induced infertile state? 0. https://magazine.tcu.edu/fall-2020/hormonal-birth-control-brain/ https://magazine.tcu.edu/fall-2020/hormonal-birth-control-br... 1. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15236788/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15236788/

alanlammiman 5y ago
not to mention the risk of blood clots. my wife had thrombosis and nearly died because of birth control meds, and once you look into it, it's more common than you'd think and women do not get nearly enough warning about the risk. All her friends went back to condoms and those more localized IUD hormone things
staticman2 5y ago
If millions of women haven't noticed a change in behavior in real life my default assumption is the change of behavior only occurs in the artificial conditions created by the researchers themselves.
- guerrilla 5y ago
  This assumes most people notice most changes in their behavior in real life. Some may subtly change over time, others may be in blind spots... and it's not like many people are tracking themselves in this kind of way. You might be overestimating people's introspection here. Think of all the people who start overeating without noticing or even start doing something radically different without reflecting.
  - staticman2 5y ago
    And you may be overestimating the reliability of brain science studies. If scientists had a camera and microphone in every room on earth (which is of course impossible) they would learn a lot more about humans than they would with studies in artificial lab environments where they have to guess if the results have any applicability to real human behavior in real human environments.
    - guerrilla 5y ago
      I have no idea why you thought anything I said had to do with "brain science" studies.
coolgeek 5y ago
Your first link is from TCU (tcu.edu), Texas Christian University. The entirety of TCU is opposed to birth control. Your second link lists only St. Anthony Family Practice Residency Program as an affiliation. I can't say one way or the other whether your assertions are valid. But your choice of sources warrants caution.

alanlammiman 5y ago

not to mention the risk of blood clots. my wife had thrombosis and nearly died because of birth control meds, and once you look into it, it's more common than you'd think and women do not get nearly enough warning about the risk. All her friends went back to condoms and those more localized IUD hormone things

staticman2 5y ago

If millions of women haven't noticed a change in behavior in real life my default assumption is the change of behavior only occurs in the artificial conditions created by the researchers themselves.

guerrilla 5y ago
This assumes most people notice most changes in their behavior in real life. Some may subtly change over time, others may be in blind spots... and it's not like many people are tracking themselves in this kind of way. You might be overestimating people's introspection here. Think of all the people who start overeating without noticing or even start doing something radically different without reflecting.
- staticman2 5y ago
  And you may be overestimating the reliability of brain science studies. If scientists had a camera and microphone in every room on earth (which is of course impossible) they would learn a lot more about humans than they would with studies in artificial lab environments where they have to guess if the results have any applicability to real human behavior in real human environments.
  - guerrilla 5y ago
    I have no idea why you thought anything I said had to do with "brain science" studies.

coolgeek 5y ago

Your first link is from TCU (tcu.edu), Texas Christian University. The entirety of TCU is opposed to birth control. Your second link lists only St. Anthony Family Practice Residency Program as an affiliation. I can't say one way or the other whether your assertions are valid. But your choice of sources warrants caution.