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Reddit ‘antiwork’ forum booms as millions of Americans quit jobs
- jsiaajdsdaa 5y agoI for one am looking forward to our robot overlords making me pizza and printing my photos. My current success rate with the above two things on this day within a 30 mile radius is 0%
- fMwhy 5y agoapproximately 10% of Singapore's workers are robots. We as smarter, wealthier nations should be able to significantly reduce if not eliminate most menial employment. Of course it should be said that robots don't earn a wage and pay taxes so I wont pretend the government has any great incentive to see such technologies implemented.
- phoronixrly 5y agoI've come accross many posts from this subreddit that hit the front page. Let's just say I hope reddit is keeping an eye on foreign and domestic troll farms as many of the most popular posts seem suspiciously like fiction to me...
- pydry 5y agoMost of the more "out there" posts line up with /r/legaladvice, which is my bellwether for the kind of shit that goes down in the low-end American workplace (spoiler : goddamn awful,).
- likpok 5y agoLegaladvice is also a place people love to put creative writing, so I’m not sure how much you can take from that.
- acheron 5y agoAll personal stories on Reddit should be assumed to be lies. I can’t believe there are people out there taking anything on it seriously.
- scotty79 5y agoWow, so many literary creative individuals doing unpaid work for fun is way more plausible explanation than random people being just fed up with their lives and wanting to vent.
- effingwewt 5y agoYou would be surprised. I've seen several stories get called out and the authors then say, invariably- 'Oh yea forgot to mention I'm a writer, maybe that's why blah blah'. I don't know if they try and add these things to their portfolio, but it definitely makes a perverse sense, ie 'look my writing even fooled X people on reddit!' Honestly I believe nothing anymore without some digging, and really it's something that's gotten worse as every year I feel like we are living in a world of lies- politics, ads, fucking everything. Now, I do honestly believe there are many people that are legitimately unhappy and venting in that sub- I know more than a few people in real life living out some of those stories. Just...use critical thinking skills. And try not to let it kill you inside. I am become jaded and cynical, but because I'm a realist.
- pydry 5y ago99% of the sub is stuff like this car towing post: https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/s0auu4/apartment_had_my_car_towed_for_not_driving_it/ https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/s0auu4/apartme... If these repeated posts about the same tedious things are grist for creative writing classes there are some really realistic sounding, terrible writers out there. It sounds like you might be extrapolating from one or two pieces of spurious anecdata.
- jimmygrapes 5y agoI'm not a writer and I make up shit all the time on anonymous and semi anonymous comment threads. It depends on my mood and the atmosphere of the thread. I avoid it here because I have some sense that this is an "adult" place to be where common sense opsec is reasonable but I don't have to invent anything to fit in or comment. On reddit or other such things though, hell yeah I'll drink a pitcher of Miller Lite while watching a football game and shitpost the devil's advocate or contrarian position under a pseudonym with no attribution. I justify it by calling it social research.
- pydry 5y agoDo you have a list of recent examples of this where it is clearly true or is this just you assuming that something being on the internet means it's made up? Coz Im struggling to see how you could believe that the 99% of overwhelmingly mundane stories about e.g. giving notice or how to deal with health and safety issues at work would become grist for creative writing. It makes zero sense.
- likpok 5y agoI stopped reading a couple years ago after it was clear that many of the most interesting posts were fictional. There was a series written by someone styling themselves as the "troll queen" (all under different accounts). In general I think the increasing popularity driven by bestoflegaladvice made things worse. Yes, the boring posts are probably real and I never claimed otherwise. But the posts people remember and engage with are not the boring posts and have a much more mixed track record. There have been cases both of "someone creates updates with an impossible resolution/schedule", "post describing the opposite point of view of a recently popular post comes up" and "post touching on hot-button internet arguments". You can argue that only the first category must be a fake, but the rest pop up with a suspicious frequency. Similarly, you could see a big jump in the number of legal issues relating to whatever excited bestoflegaladvice recently. It doesn't seem likely that there's a sudden uptick in the number of people who have neighbors cut down their trees, or who have a landlocked property.
- throwntoday 5y agoI'm still convinced reddit's userbase is heavily composed of GPT-3 bots. There was a poster here that identified a large amount of accounts as bots by sending them a DM with a link and seeing how fast they opened it. Reddit opinions/posts tend to be predictable enough and most users don't notice the repetitive comments, or just don't care.
- gruez 5y ago>There was a poster here that identified a large amount of accounts as bots by sending them a DM with a link and seeing how fast they opened it. source?
- _8j50 5y agoYou are not exactly the first person to say this on this thread. How do I know you yourself are not part of a discredition campaign? Can you substantiate your speculation by pointing out inauthentic popular posts or accounts at least?
- phoronixrly 5y agoLol yeah, I've been hired by low level US businesses to discredit antiwork on... HN of all places :) Sorry, just excercising a safe amount of scepticism with regards to social media.
- _8j50 5y agoBeing a sceptic is fine but when you pose it to others you need to substantiate
- abduhl 5y agoYou're not the first person to question people questioning whether the antiwork echo chamber is being manipulated by state actors. How do I know you aren't part of the counter counter espionage? Can you substantiate your speculation by pointing out inauthentic posts or accounts? What a stupid post. If your first reaction to someone questioning a broad social movement in 2022 as a conspiracy theory is to go directly into a deeper conspiracy theory then it's pretty likely you've already made up your mind about the underlying topic and aren't approaching the discussion in good faith anymore. Edit: this is especially true after watching 4 years of the federal government waging an internal war between two factions about how much "influence" a foreign power had over our social media and elections.
- sombremesa 5y ago> What a stupid post. I don't think someone who puts this in their bio is qualified to make that comment: > One of my favorite low key social engineering hacks is that I used to have a keylogger installed on every machine I own. Whenever a friend needs to hop on my machine to show me something, they'd log into an account they own and I would have their password. You're lucky that not many people will tell you exactly what they think of that, thanks to HN guidelines.
- quickthrowman 5y agoI assume every story on Reddit is fiction, r/legaladvice and r/relationship_advice posts are as likely to be real in my estimation as r/nosleep (creepypasta) stories.
- dang 5y agoPlease don't post this sort of evidence-free insinuation to HN. They're against the site guidelines, and have been for years, because they almost never amount to anything, but do have a poisonous effect on the ecosystem as users rile each other up about them. "Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20astroturf https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29867733 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29867733.
- BoboDupla 5y agoSome posts in that subreddit are genuine and I support them, but some others and mainly the comments, man, that is basically an edgy teen's communist era playground. One of the mods even said, that the subreddit is for socialists and communists and everybody else is just conservative.
- koheripbal 5y ago
- dang 5y agoPlease don't do this. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29869127 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29869127 for more explanation.
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- truculent 5y agoWhether or not you agree with the politics in question, it hardly seems surprising that a forum about bad working experiences and exploitation would respond positively to ideologies which profess to explain that abuse (in a way that doesn’t place blame on the individual).
- gota 5y agoAnother way to look at it - under what system are they (claiming to be) suffering? Naturally they'd align with a competitor system, most likely the most prominent one Tbh, though, from my brief reading of the subreddit in question, I don't think it is particularly politically charged or cohesive. Sounds more like a lot of people with aligned complaints gathering to, well, complain Curious to see whether this will extrapolate from the US to other places, too
- version_five 5y agoIt shouldn't be completely dismissed, but I think the forum is more about how an unhappy (or angry) minority have found each other, and the people that like to read their stories. I don't think that r/antiwork should be taken as representative of anything, including a broader movement. It's the same with twitter, there is a committed vocal and angry group, but it's not real life
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- scotty79 5y agoWhat about this https://hbr.org/2021/09/who-is-driving-the-great-resignation https://hbr.org/2021/09/who-is-driving-the-great-resignation ?
- gruez 5y ago>>It's the same with twitter, there is a committed vocal and angry group, but it's not real life >What about this https://hbr.org/2021/09/who-is-driving-the-great-resignation https://hbr.org/2021/09/who-is-driving-the-great-resignation ? >1. Resignation rates are highest among mid-career employees. >2. Resignations are highest in the tech and health care industries. Your source doesn't really contradict the parent comment. The top posts in the subreddit don't match the demographics in the hbr article. Looking at the top 30 posts this month and filtering for anecdotes, I see: 1. some sort of office worker that works weekends 8. something about a skilled tradesman 12. salesman at a dealership 13. a worker at some sort blue collar job (mentions "work boots" and "work pants") 19. someone working at starbucks 20. someone who works as a "Underwriter" 21. someone who has an "engineering degree" but was offered a $40k/yr job 23. someone who is being asked to wear uniforms 26. welder 29. police academy I'm not sure about you, but from the sampling of these posts, the anecdotes seem to be mostly people working blue collar/retail/service jobs. Programmers and doctors are not present at all.
- inetknght 5y ago> I think the forum is more about how an unhappy (or angry) minority have I don't think it's a minority though.
- tjs8rj 5y agoThat sub has changed so much in the last year. Used to be more light-hearted, rallying around crappy bosses and laughing at the gall of an employer. Now it’s been taken over by more radical takes, going from “screw my boss”, “we should get more vacation time” to straightforward Marxist talking points and desires to abolish work. There’s a place for those discussions and they’re interesting to have, but it’s ruined the sub
- diob 5y agoI can't really blame them, I think after a while folks realized they all had the same experiences. Long hours, promised promotions, and eventually they have all cracked a bit. The generation after millenials has seen how the millenial hard work essentially ruined their health (some of us got out lucky, like myself), with 0 reward besides deference to some boomers. So I think we're going to see quite a revolution in our lifetime, the new generation doesn't feel like fealty and recognizes that capitalism is really just crony capitalism. The explosion of information on the internet makes it easy to see how corruption and nepotism is 90% of everything, with 10% getting lucky + hardworking. Who knows what will happen, I just hope we end up with healthier lives for all.
- 1shooner 5y ago> the millenial hard work essentially ruined their health Is this referring to a specific trend or statistic?
- hotpotamus 5y agohttps://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/news/20210325/gen-x-millennials-in-worse-health-than-prior-generations https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/news/20210325/gen-x-mill...
- broken8ball 5y agoA quick Google search yields some decent hits: https://www.nami.org/Blogs/NAMI-Blog/February-2019/Millennial-Mental-Health-in-the-Workplace https://www.nami.org/Blogs/NAMI-Blog/February-2019/Millennia... https://www.starlingminds.com/how-to-address-the-millennial-mental-health-crisis-in-the-workplace/ https://www.starlingminds.com/how-to-address-the-millennial-... https://lifelime.thehartford.com/healthy-lifestyle/mental-health/millennials-and-mental-health/ https://lifelime.thehartford.com/healthy-lifestyle/mental-he...
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- FrostKiwi 5y agoWhilst I don't disagree on the point of r/antiwork being an echo chamber... ..."effective geo-lock" - Yeah good luck with that. If there is truly such a thing like a troll campaign, no form of geo lock will ever stop them, but most certainly you will stop legitimate users instead.
- C19is20 5y agoVpn's?
- inetknght 5y ago> some kind of effective geo-lock With the sorry state of security that is consumer electronics... you're nuts. You'd have to completely rework the entire legal liability system with regards to electronic devices and also put real teeth on enforcement. Otherwise... you just have bots/vpns/tunnels/etc on the devices within the geolock.
- dang 5y agoPlease omit personal swipes and name-calling from your comments here. They're against the site guidelines: .https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. Your comment would be fine without the "nuts" bit. On the plus side, thanks for using italics instead of allcaps :)
- pbw 5y agohttps://archive.is/yZSyv https://archive.is/yZSyv
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- _8j50 5y agoYou can say that about any popular sub, what would their motivation be? And is anything inauthentic about popular posts in that sub?
- rumblerock 5y agoIn theory, probably something like: (1) recruitment and growth of the sub either organically or inorganically (2) selective upvoting of particular perspectives if not direct posts (3) propagation and cross pollination of content across platforms e.g. Twitter + Reddit, etc. But there's really no way to know, and the natural trend towards extreme opinions is inherent as is. The game would be to push perspectives towards more extreme views over a longer period of time.
- version_five 5y ago> You can say that about any popular sub, what would their motivation be? Social media has pretty much destroyed the fabric of western society, so theres that. I don't know that we need state actors to get involved in order for that to happen, it seems to work on it's own, but I can imagine if some actor was looking to create more tension and unrest, targeting and subtlety trolling large discussions would be pretty effective.
- hotpotamus 5y ago> it seems to work on it's own I think some FB employees might have an issue with that.
- manquer 5y agoYou mean they deserve credit ?
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- tinus_hn 5y agoOr, millions pretend to quit their jobs for karma points.
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- fivea 5y ago> I find it funny how so many HNers suddenly jump out of the wood work to respond to allegations that these subreddits are supported by foreign troll farms. +1 I mean, the /r/antiwork subreddit features mostly posts reporting how people quit their jobs following a history of workplace abuse, or red flags during hiring processes. Moreover, the subreddit isn't even exclusive to reports from the US. Are we now supposed to believe that there is no such thing as a bad interview or poor working conditions anywhere we look? Why are these accounts so hell bent on gaslighting everyone into thinking that there is no such thing as an abusive boss, and quiting a bad job or rejecting a job offer is unheard of?
- dang 5y agoPlease keep this sort of insinuation off HN. It's against the site guidelines, because our consistent experience has been that these perceptions almost never hold up under investigation. They're almost all pure imagination. "Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20astroturf https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...
- gruez 5y ago>Almost like these troll farms know about HN as well... I checked every reply to koheripbal's comment, and everybody there looks like they have a consistent comment history prior to this thread. I suppose russian troll farms could also be keeping accounts "warm" to prevent this sort of suspicion, but that starts to get into "unfalsifiable claim" territory.
- hogrider 5y agoIs it really ao hard so believe non skilled jobs have it this hard? Retail sucks, most service jobs suck and exploit workers. They found class consciousness through anger.
- fivea 5y ago> Is it really ao hard so believe non skilled jobs have it this hard? What makes this gaslighting attempts so mind-numbingly pathetic is the fact that even some FANGs, which are supposedly references in terms of high-quality, highly-paid work, are renowned for their poor working conditions and hiring processes. And they have been known for that for around a decade, now. If this is an expected occurrence in high-quality work in fields where the job market is firmly on the worker's side, why are these guys trying to fool everyone into believing that abusive workplaces are completely unheard of in other less fortunate sectors?
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- ikr678 5y agoReading antiwork last year, I feel it should have been called antimanagement. Regardless of class of work (white vs blue collar), a bad manager is going to destroy any job satisfaction that might have been derived. Contemporary workforce management is a skillset that doesnt get taught in school, and in all of these low skilled jobs that are posted to /antiwork, people are being managed by probably equally low skilled managers. Throughout my career, every job I have left is largely because I didnt like how I was being managed. That has always been the impetus to go out and apply for a new role. The best manager I've ever had was in warehousing temp job, and I'd go back to him in a heartbeat if I wanted a break from corporate drudgery.
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- throw0101a 5y agoThe Odd Lots podcast had an interview with the moderator of the AntiWork sub-reddit a little while ago: > Over a million people are members of a subreddit called r/AntiWork, whose slogan is "Unemployment for all, not just the rich." While the page and movement have been around for awhile, discontent with the state of the labor market has been growing since the pandemic. Many workers are refusing to accept the conditions and pay that were the norm prior to the virus. On this episode, we speak with Doreen Ford, who also goes by Doreen Cleyre. She is a moderator of the AntiWork subreddit as well as the founder of AbolishWork.com. Doreen explains the growth of the movement and its philosophical underpinnings. * https://player.fm/series/series-1504378/this-is-the-booming-movement-to-abolish-work-as-we-know-it https://player.fm/series/series-1504378/this-is-the-booming-... * https://open.spotify.com/episode/2YK3j1IsQAxj0JXHIplX6h https://open.spotify.com/episode/2YK3j1IsQAxj0JXHIplX6h * https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/this-is-the-booming-movement-to-abolish-work-as-we-know-it/id1056200096?i=1000545148458 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/this-is-the-booming-mo...
- alanlammiman 5y agoI wonder what would happen if private sector wage-based jobs were forbidden. If essentially your only option as an entrepreneur/company were to pay in equity/profit-sharing. The labor equivalent of, on the capital front, religions that forbid lending with interest but allow equity investing. I wonder if the complexity/transaction costs/uncertainty/governance problems would kill the economy or if it would be possible to somehow eventually get to an economy where everybody eventually thinks like a business owner. Here in Brazil, the labor laws are tricky and payroll taxes are high, so many people now work as contractors setting up small companies. That means they need to do a few things like get an accountant, a separate bank account for the business, pay business income tax (rather than have taxes deducted from their pay), but more often than not end up working full time for 1 client much like employees. I have been struck (anecdotally) how these hybrid employees/business owners seem to develop a more entrepreneurial mindset that can ultimately lead to more success. Maybe jobs do need a rethink.
- blockwriter 5y agoHow would you compensate work if their equity position needs to be maintained in perpetuity but the value of their work remains the same? If I worked retail at Nordstroms in 2006, I would have needed to earn pennies a week to balance out the next 60 to 70 years of equity I have in the company.
- alanlammiman 5y agowell maybe if you made $20/h in cash and the share price is $20 you get 1 share/h. You can sell it (so you dont need to keep the equity in perpetuity) but if you live off $15, that you can have $5 (plus/minus appreciation/depreciation ÷nds) shares in 60y time is a feature not a bug. Or maybe you have some mechanism whereby people have to sell back their shares when they leave (like partners at professional service firms). A classic economist would say that the 1st example proves that its the same as cash and thus nothing much should change, but behaviourally there is endowment bias etc. I wouldn't be surprised if paying people in savings/investments and then letting them liquidate would result in a much higher saving/investment rate than giving them cash and expecting them to invest.
- sidcool 5y agoAntiwork started as a positive place to support employees that were ill treated. Now it has become a bit more than that, and has taken political form.
- mikewarot 5y agoI think that this is a great way to cover up the problem with the wave of people disabled by Long Covid falling out of the work force. Blame it instead on a vocal group of slackers. It's going to work, everyone will blame them, and Covid keeps getting ignored.
- gruez 5y ago>I think that this is a great way to cover up the problem with the wave of people disabled by Long Covid falling out of the work force. I must have missed the memo about the hoards of workers being disabled by long covid. Can you link me to it?
- mikewarot 5y agohttps://www.barrons.com/articles/labor-shortage-workers-millions-sick-long-covid-51638923422 https://www.barrons.com/articles/labor-shortage-workers-mill...
- gruez 5y ago>Some 3 million workers remain out of the labor force >Bunker estimates that roughly 20% of Covid cases in the U.S. turn into long Covid, and that at least half of that slice isn’t able to work. Doing some back-of-the-envelope math, that’s 4.6 million people. So 153% of people out of the workforce have long covid? That seems a bit high.
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- sdze 5y agoWasn’t there a similar thing in the 60s? My best guess is: It won’t last.
- piva00 5y agoYou mean it will be squashed?
- oliwarner 5y agoTwo decades ago we were in a deathly panic about the radicalisation of Muslims. Today, extremist tribal labels seem to define politics and faith. Wtf is going on? Social media seems to be a common vector and facilitator but is this just the start of the human race eating it's own tail, or is this being done to us? Given the scenes a year ago, finding out what's happening feels important. Combatting it without also limiting social reach also seems impossible.
- roxaaaane 5y agoWhat's with the hostility towards the subreddit? I am surprised by the HN reaction to it. I think that unless you are working minimum wage you don't get to call the sub "nihilistic, apathetic or zoomer adhd" if anything most of the members were essential workers during covid and struggle to afford basic living otherwise they would not be angry. I am very surprised by the comments in the thread to be honest, if you work in tech, your job is pretty much useless the code you write doesn't "advance humanity" I mean let's not kid ourselves tech jobs are pretty overblown in importance compared to essential workers. Really hope we do some thinking before taking this hostile stance, if anything we should stand by workers who suffer from shitty working conditions. EDIT:I worked minimum wage, no wage no health care.. I worked really different shitty jobs in risky setting and there was always an implicit solidarity in the workers group, when I moved to tech (very later on) I was surprised by the toxicity and grandeur some people show as if building to-do apps is all that's left from moving to the next level of civilization, some humility and acceptance would be good along the way especially since we're lucky to have the opportunity to work remotely, great salaries and benefits and the ability to spend time doing something we like.
- Kavelach 5y agoI wholeheartedly agree with you. The importance of those people has been proven when, during the first waves of COVID, they stopped being called low wage workers, and instead words like essential workers were used much more often. I worked as an essential worker when I was in high-school, and the amount of shit I had to put up was insane. Your boss is screwing you over, one way or another, the people you service demand you treat them like they are the most important being in the world. I don't say it happens to everybody, but for a lot of people, this is the reality of wage labor.
- namelessoracle 5y agoMy analogy is to look at your computer. Screws are essential, but you can probably go without a few and if one breaks you will just throw it away and get another one. A graphics card is expensive, and the computer might still work in some core ways without it! Yet that you might try to get repaired and go through an annoying RGA process to get a new one. Which type of worker is the screw and which one is the graphics card? Phrased another way. All workers sell their labor, but some people are effectively capital by themselves. A factory buys a piece of capital (the machine that creates the product) and the laborer. The hospital hires a doctor who is both the piece of capital and the laborer. It makes sense that there is a higher price tag when a person is also the the machine that makes the product. That capitalists value people and treat them nicer when they are also basically a piece of capital makes perfect sense.
- Apocryphon 5y agoThe meme that this sub is a hive of bot activity is interesting- I wonder who came up with those allegations first, and if they have similar conspiracy theories towards other popular subs such as r/WallStreetBets, or other toxic subs like r/CSCareerQuestions
- the_only_law 5y agoThe whole “foreign intelligence psyop” theory seems dumb, but is par for the course on HN at this point I wouldn’t be surprised though, if there’s a lot of karma farming, some of it even automated.
- Apocryphon 5y agoIt just feels like the allegations speak more of the character of the allegers than the alleged. Why pick on disgruntled workers? This has a faintly quaint air to it, a real Sacco and Vanzetti vibe. I wonder what the accusers think of Dilbert or Office Space. Or more pertinently, of Occupy Wall Street, which was but ten years ago.
- throw3434053 5y ago'Foreign'... good one
- pydry 5y agoI've seen some minimum wage discussions on general topic forums (e.g. news) where the top 40-50 comments were vehemently against raising it. I suspect these were driven by bot votes. Any "funny" picture with a well known brand obviously placed in it? Definitely. By contrast thes (the current top 2 posts) seem pretty organic to me though: https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/s07qh6/presented_without_comment/ https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/s07qh6/presented_... https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/s07uk4/i_work_at_starbucks_today_broke_me/ https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/s07uk4/i_work_at_...
- gruez 5y ago> I've seen some minimum wage discussions on general topic forums (e.g. news) where the top 40-50 comments were vehemently against raising it. source? >By contrast thes (the current top 2 posts) seem pretty organic to me though: what makes these more organic than the ones in "general topic forums"? Is it just because "well obviously most people would be pro-minimum wage, therefore any comment that's for minimum wage is organic and any that's against is bots"
- RickJWagner 5y agoNext week: Millions of Americans demand government relief from crushing poverty!
- PickledHotdog 5y agoI'd be interested to hear the ages of people belittling /r/antiwork It seems to me that many are blind to the fact that there's generations of people coming through who are getting dudded on the "work hard and you'll at least be comfortable" agreement of previous generations. Instead they're learning that they'll work hard and that's all they'll do until they die. Wage stagnation, sky-rocketing cost of living, deteriorating working conditions, ever increasing requirements for jobs, unpaid internships, wage theft, rising inequality, astronomical housing costs in large chunks of the western world. "Once in a lifetime" economic meltdowns happening every 10 years (and nobody getting nailed for it) on a dying planet with clowns at the helm. If they're lucky they'll get some of the wealth when their parents die. They've been invited to play a game of Monopoly that's 98% complete and people wonder why they're not overjoyed to be playing all the while listening to older generations to just march on in with your resume and demand to speak to the manager about a job I'm surprised they haven't burned it all to the ground. Maybe one day they will.
- omilu 5y agoPeople focus on the negatives in life and ignore all the positives: nearly free access to all the worlds information, infinite media and entertainment, no world wars, medicine, and on and on.... Everyone on earth is better off today then 50 years ago. Its human nature to complain. We shouldn't crap on the previous generation they did extremely good for human kind. The folks on antiwork are good for nothing except complaining, disregard.
- Jcowell 5y agoHard to enjoy the good in life where one accident can leave it in a mountain of debt forever.
- strikelaserclaw 5y agoEvery time populism rises, people flock to the "left" and "right", that is the key symptom of a crumbling society. People who work in Software need to understand that they have it easy, and as for myself, even with a good software salary, buying a house is still hard for me, and i'm lucky in that i have no student loans after i graduated.