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> There is value to medications that inhibit or regulate serotonin, and every individual's experience will be slightly different based on their genetics and the

> There is value to medications that inhibit or regulate serotonin, and every individual's experience will be slightly different based on their genetics and the circumstances of their life. Not just slightly different. It can be extremely variable from person to person. It’s well-known in medical research and clinical practice that medications likes SSRIs range from helpful to neutral to net negatives depending on the patients and situation. Sadly, too many people fixate on the potential negative side effects and avoid trialing treatments altogether. For anyone suffering: It’s true that medications might not work out for you, but if they do address your condition and you’re one of the many people whose lives benefit greatly, then it would be tragic to avoid medications based on fear of potential negative outcomes.

kbenson 5y ago
> Not just slightly different. It can be extremely variable from person to person. Not just SSRIs. I had a very bad experience with Mucinex D (or DM?) about 12 years ago, the first time I tried it. I can only imagine it was what clinical depression is like. For two days (until I stopped taking because I was so scared) I lost all interest in my life. I wasn't interested in my young children, ow my wife, or watching anything on TV I usually like, or playing a game. I was questioning my work life choices as well because nothing at work held the slightest interest. I would go home, do what was required of me, then sit in bed and stare at the wall until I went to bed. That is, to this day, one of the scariest experiences in my life. I've since heard of one or two other people that had similar experiences with it.
- aos 5y ago
  Mucinex DM has dextromethorphan[0] which can act as a non-selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor. [0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dextromethorphan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dextromethorphan see section on dependence and withdrawal
  - kbenson 5y ago
    Well, that makes sense then. Thanks for the additional info. Honestly have been kinda scared of the whole class of medication that affects mood since this experience, but I've been lucky enough to not feel the need for medication nor been prescribed any of that sort, so haven't had to make that choice.
  - PragmaticPulp 5y ago
    Serotonin is only a small part of what it does. It can impact everything from NMDA to opioid receptors. It’s not interchangeable with SSRIs, obviously.
  - tsol 5y ago
    It's much stronger effect is as an NMDA antagonist, similar to Ketamine. This blocks one of the primary excitatory neurotransmitters in the brain. That would be a better candidate for a depressant effect than its minor SRI property
- danrochman 5y ago
  This is how some people feel all the time. I wonder if I was exposed to Mucinex in the womb…
foverzar 5y ago
These medications don't really address your condition, but rather just treat symptoms. IMO, the fear is not really about short-term negatives, but about it turning into drug abuse, without actually tackling the root cause. Such drugs should only be used in extreme cases.
- deleted 5y ago
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- 0xcde4c3db 5y ago
  I'm not exactly an expert on psychiatry, but I've looked around quite a bit and have yet to see any method claiming to treat "the root cause" whose evidence base isn't even sketchier than that of SSRIs.
  - nradov 5y ago
    The problem is that there appear to be so many different root causes.
- tsol 5y ago
  What is the root cause of depression? That's a huge subject, and for some people even with community and a job and hobby they still feel depressed. Sometimes the underlying condition really is a chemical imbalance. For example, adverse childhood experiences are highly correlated with depression. What's the underlying problem to tackle with a 50 year old adult who is depressed as a result of abuse as a child? Some things just change you and no amount of therapy can undo that
- bdowling 5y ago
  A cast doesn't address the cause of a broken arm. Should we only use casts in extreme cases?

kbenson 5y ago

> Not just slightly different. It can be extremely variable from person to person. Not just SSRIs. I had a very bad experience with Mucinex D (or DM?) about 12 years ago, the first time I tried it. I can only imagine it was what clinical depression is like. For two days (until I stopped taking because I was so scared) I lost all interest in my life. I wasn't interested in my young children, ow my wife, or watching anything on TV I usually like, or playing a game. I was questioning my work life choices as well because nothing at work held the slightest interest. I would go home, do what was required of me, then sit in bed and stare at the wall until I went to bed. That is, to this day, one of the scariest experiences in my life. I've since heard of one or two other people that had similar experiences with it.

aos 5y ago
Mucinex DM has dextromethorphan[0] which can act as a non-selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor. [0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dextromethorphan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dextromethorphan see section on dependence and withdrawal
- kbenson 5y ago
  Well, that makes sense then. Thanks for the additional info. Honestly have been kinda scared of the whole class of medication that affects mood since this experience, but I've been lucky enough to not feel the need for medication nor been prescribed any of that sort, so haven't had to make that choice.
- PragmaticPulp 5y ago
  Serotonin is only a small part of what it does. It can impact everything from NMDA to opioid receptors. It’s not interchangeable with SSRIs, obviously.
- tsol 5y ago
  It's much stronger effect is as an NMDA antagonist, similar to Ketamine. This blocks one of the primary excitatory neurotransmitters in the brain. That would be a better candidate for a depressant effect than its minor SRI property
danrochman 5y ago
This is how some people feel all the time. I wonder if I was exposed to Mucinex in the womb…

foverzar 5y ago

These medications don't really address your condition, but rather just treat symptoms. IMO, the fear is not really about short-term negatives, but about it turning into drug abuse, without actually tackling the root cause. Such drugs should only be used in extreme cases.

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0xcde4c3db 5y ago
I'm not exactly an expert on psychiatry, but I've looked around quite a bit and have yet to see any method claiming to treat "the root cause" whose evidence base isn't even sketchier than that of SSRIs.
- nradov 5y ago
  The problem is that there appear to be so many different root causes.
tsol 5y ago
What is the root cause of depression? That's a huge subject, and for some people even with community and a job and hobby they still feel depressed. Sometimes the underlying condition really is a chemical imbalance. For example, adverse childhood experiences are highly correlated with depression. What's the underlying problem to tackle with a 50 year old adult who is depressed as a result of abuse as a child? Some things just change you and no amount of therapy can undo that
bdowling 5y ago
A cast doesn't address the cause of a broken arm. Should we only use casts in extreme cases?