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I’d argue that the mandatory vaccine crowd are exactly the same. Edpecially when natural immunity is completely overlooked. Also I beleive that everytime off

I’d argue that the mandatory vaccine crowd are exactly the same. Edpecially when natural immunity is completely overlooked. Also I beleive that everytime officcials and MSM and threads like these completely undermine and ignore the millions of people who are traumatized by the pretty rough vaccine side effects ( Moderna is no joke ). these people wonder what else os being hidden. And the gap becomes wider and more fantatic. There is no anti vaxx movement. As so many people are being infected anyway, odd are they are not showing up for boosters once infected. And sinve the vaccine cards expire in 9 months (EU), you are never getting the entire EU population to show up for yearly inoculation. Especially those who got infected anyway and those who suffered pretty badly by the vaccines but are ruthelessly dismissed. Anti vaxx movement is dead. The vaccines are incredibly leaky, and cause pretty severe side effects especially in young men. They do not allow society to resume normality even if 100% are vaccinated ( do the math, the effect wears off so fast that its impossible to keep 100% even if every single himan on the planet had access and diligently showed up ). The anti vaxx sentiment is dead. It died with omicron. In a year all but older people i the rich west and possibly health care workers will techincally be considered unvaccinated. Also, masks still made no difference in the spread. Not even a dent in Omicron. Only countries with high natural immunity has had relatively lower omicron curves. Try the antivaxxer/antimasker /smooth brain/trumpis propaganda all you want in the virtual world. In the real one, parents want their children back to school. Elderly want to enjoy the few uears they have left outside of covid prison. Young people want to meet and fuck other young people. And evrr single officcial MSM praised health expert has turned out to be not only wrong, but laid a platform for intruse sureveillance and degrading humans to nothing more than viral plague hosts that most be muffled, injected and locked up. Tldr; antivaxxer as a basis for the hatred of common hunan desire to find someone to hate is dead. Vaccines and masks are nowhere near what was promised and omicron proved it

nicoburns 5y ago
I find your conflation of support for vaccines with support for lockdowns rather odd, because vaccines are the main thing that lessens the need for social restrictions! > Anti vaxx movement is dead. The vaccines are incredibly leaky, and cause pretty severe side effects especially in young men. They do not allow society to resume normality even if 100% are vaccinated ( do the math, the effect wears off so fast that its impossible to keep 100% even if every single himan on the planet had access and diligently showed up ). They are leaky, but not incredibly so. They show around 70-80% protection (with 3 doses for Omicron, 2 for earlier variants). That's a massive difference, especially when you consider that for a second-order transmission that reduces the chance by 80% of the 20% remaining, making it 95% effective and so on. As a young person who has had ongoing side effects from the vaccine, I have to say that I'm the only person I know who has had this problem. It's very rare. Similar side effects from covid itself are much more common in all demographic categories (except for moderna in young men - they should get a different vaccine).
- ThunderSizzle 5y ago
  80% isn't protection. 80% still gets you pregnant. Honestly, it's probably healthier for everyone to turn off the news for a half year, and did not worry about it. If you get sick, take care of it. If you don't, take care of those who do. Lose weight. Exercise. Eat healthy. Live your life. Build and nurture friendships. Find and improve hobbies. Grow your family. You'll be fine until you die. But you can die any and every day for any arbitrary reason, so forget COVID and start taking care of life.
  - paulryanrogers 5y ago
    > If you get sick, take care of it. If you don't, take care of those who do. Hospitals were getting overwhelmed. So "taking care of it" for many was not as trivial as the usual flu. Consider that 40% of adults in the US are obese which is a complicating factor for unvaxed infection.
    - ThunderSizzle 5y ago
      Lose weight. Eat healthy. Eat less. Exercise. Self control and discipline suck, but there's no easy button to life. People wanted the Vax to be an easy button.
      - paulryanrogers 5y ago
        While I agree there is an element of personal responsibility to obesity, the industrialized food system is rigged to make everyone fat if they live long enough. It requires winning the genetic lottery or having a significant amount of self control to maintain a healthy weight as one ages. In some places healthier food is also more expensive, such as in major cities and food deserts. Until the food industries are regulated more responsibility it's unrealistic and cruel for those of us born to be thinner to demand people 'just' exercise more and eat less.
  - oliveshell 5y ago
    > 80% isn't protection. 80% still gets you pregnant. Serious question: I get that this is supposed to be a clever metaphor but what the hell does this even mean in a vaccine context?
artursapek 5y ago
I agree, the music is about to stop for the forced-vaccine zealots My little sister is triple-vaxxed and sick as hell with COVID right now I chose not to take any vaccines and just had a pretty mild case of Omicron But of course I'm still not allowed to go out to dinner in NYC, even though my immunity is now better than someone with a vax card
- halfmatthalfcat 5y ago
  You cannot possibly be able to make that determination.
u801e 5y ago
> E[s]pecially when natural immunity is completely overlooked. The one thing about natural immunity is that it does not prevent the transmission or spread of the virus on a population level. For example, prior to the ’90s, there were yearly outbreaks of varicella among school aged children despite the fact that at least 99% of the adult population has natural immunity to the disease. After widespread vaccination, outbreaks of that disease are practically unheard of. For the same virus, the CDC recommends that healthy adults over 50 years of age who have prior immunity get 2 additional doses of another formulation of that vaccine to prevent a resurgence of the same disease in older adults. On another note, if the percentage of the population immune to a certain viral illness drops below a certain threshold because a subset of the population is refusing vaccination, then outbreaks will occur. It happened a few years ago with measles. > The vaccines are incredibly leaky, and cause pretty severe side effects especially in young men Do you have sources backing up this statement? As for the concept of "leaky" vaccines, you need to realize that vaccines have never had 100% effectiveness and that their effectiveness is through achieving the goal of getting a high percentage of the population immune to a particular disease, something that's never really achieved by relying on natural immunity on its own. Unfortunately, the parts of your comment pertaining to spread, immunity, and vaccinations are not accurate and rely on assumptions that are known to be false. Many people keep trying to counter bad information, but it seems like a battle that's not winnable[1]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law

nicoburns 5y ago

I find your conflation of support for vaccines with support for lockdowns rather odd, because vaccines are the main thing that lessens the need for social restrictions! > Anti vaxx movement is dead. The vaccines are incredibly leaky, and cause pretty severe side effects especially in young men. They do not allow society to resume normality even if 100% are vaccinated ( do the math, the effect wears off so fast that its impossible to keep 100% even if every single himan on the planet had access and diligently showed up ). They are leaky, but not incredibly so. They show around 70-80% protection (with 3 doses for Omicron, 2 for earlier variants). That's a massive difference, especially when you consider that for a second-order transmission that reduces the chance by 80% of the 20% remaining, making it 95% effective and so on. As a young person who has had ongoing side effects from the vaccine, I have to say that I'm the only person I know who has had this problem. It's very rare. Similar side effects from covid itself are much more common in all demographic categories (except for moderna in young men - they should get a different vaccine).

ThunderSizzle 5y ago
80% isn't protection. 80% still gets you pregnant. Honestly, it's probably healthier for everyone to turn off the news for a half year, and did not worry about it. If you get sick, take care of it. If you don't, take care of those who do. Lose weight. Exercise. Eat healthy. Live your life. Build and nurture friendships. Find and improve hobbies. Grow your family. You'll be fine until you die. But you can die any and every day for any arbitrary reason, so forget COVID and start taking care of life.
- paulryanrogers 5y ago
  > If you get sick, take care of it. If you don't, take care of those who do. Hospitals were getting overwhelmed. So "taking care of it" for many was not as trivial as the usual flu. Consider that 40% of adults in the US are obese which is a complicating factor for unvaxed infection.
  - ThunderSizzle 5y ago
    Lose weight. Eat healthy. Eat less. Exercise. Self control and discipline suck, but there's no easy button to life. People wanted the Vax to be an easy button.
    - paulryanrogers 5y ago
      While I agree there is an element of personal responsibility to obesity, the industrialized food system is rigged to make everyone fat if they live long enough. It requires winning the genetic lottery or having a significant amount of self control to maintain a healthy weight as one ages. In some places healthier food is also more expensive, such as in major cities and food deserts. Until the food industries are regulated more responsibility it's unrealistic and cruel for those of us born to be thinner to demand people 'just' exercise more and eat less.
- oliveshell 5y ago
  > 80% isn't protection. 80% still gets you pregnant. Serious question: I get that this is supposed to be a clever metaphor but what the hell does this even mean in a vaccine context?

artursapek 5y ago

I agree, the music is about to stop for the forced-vaccine zealots My little sister is triple-vaxxed and sick as hell with COVID right now I chose not to take any vaccines and just had a pretty mild case of Omicron But of course I'm still not allowed to go out to dinner in NYC, even though my immunity is now better than someone with a vax card

halfmatthalfcat 5y ago
You cannot possibly be able to make that determination.

u801e 5y ago

> E[s]pecially when natural immunity is completely overlooked. The one thing about natural immunity is that it does not prevent the transmission or spread of the virus on a population level. For example, prior to the ’90s, there were yearly outbreaks of varicella among school aged children despite the fact that at least 99% of the adult population has natural immunity to the disease. After widespread vaccination, outbreaks of that disease are practically unheard of. For the same virus, the CDC recommends that healthy adults over 50 years of age who have prior immunity get 2 additional doses of another formulation of that vaccine to prevent a resurgence of the same disease in older adults. On another note, if the percentage of the population immune to a certain viral illness drops below a certain threshold because a subset of the population is refusing vaccination, then outbreaks will occur. It happened a few years ago with measles. > The vaccines are incredibly leaky, and cause pretty severe side effects especially in young men Do you have sources backing up this statement? As for the concept of "leaky" vaccines, you need to realize that vaccines have never had 100% effectiveness and that their effectiveness is through achieving the goal of getting a high percentage of the population immune to a particular disease, something that's never really achieved by relying on natural immunity on its own. Unfortunately, the parts of your comment pertaining to spread, immunity, and vaccinations are not accurate and rely on assumptions that are known to be false. Many people keep trying to counter bad information, but it seems like a battle that's not winnable[1]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law