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It would be truly fascinating to compare this increase in suicide to any changes in suicide for children in China or other countries which weathered the pandemi

It would be truly fascinating to compare this increase in suicide to any changes in suicide for children in China or other countries which weathered the pandemic much better than the US. If it really is the case that harsh lockdowns create more suicides then surely China and its much more swift and drastic entire lockdowns of million person cities would generate more of them per capita, no? I suspect though that we'd see there's not much increase or change at all for suicides in countries that handled the pandemic better than the US. People want to blame lockdowns, remote schooling or specific actions in the US when in reality the incredibly horrific response and deaths of nearly a million Americans is horrifying enough on its own.

vlovich123 5y ago
Lock down for a short time with a reopening vs prolonged ok and off lock downs might be different. Also, China data probably isn’t trustworthy on a topic like this, right?
- jinguang 5y ago
codr7 5y ago
There are obvious cultural differences that needs to be taken into account. If all you know is being told what to do for generations it won't feel the same. I'm pretty sure that once we sum this up, the interventions will be proven to have caused WAY more damage than any virus ever could.
sanedigital 5y ago
Looking at China for numerical statistics of any sort is a fool’s errand. Nothing they report is accurate, especially with regards to COVID or the mental health of their populace.
nostrebored 5y ago
Frankly this reads like a take by someone who is never around kids. Kids need social interaction. I know multiple kids who have basically been checked out of society and told they’ll kill their family if they socialize. Lockdowns and covid hysteria have certainly contributed to this.
unityByFreedom 5y ago
I wouldn't trust such numbers from China. Their death rate has looked like this [1] [2] since April 2020. Coincidentally, that is when covid cases began to take off in the west. China stopped adding to their death toll after they revised their numbers upwards exactly 50% (1290/2579) [3]. [1] https://i.imgur.com/SnwqNsd.png https://i.imgur.com/SnwqNsd.png [2] https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/china https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/china [3] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/4/17/chinas-wuhan-revises-coronavirus-death-toll-up-by-50-percent https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/4/17/chinas-wuhan-revise...
CryptoPunk 5y ago
Per capita COVID deaths in the US were similar to those in the EU. This partisan left-wing reaction to this news, which is implicitly about absolving the massive violation of the entire population's civil and economic liberties of blame for the socioeconomic and non-COVID health deteriorations seen during the COVID era, is the real problem.

vlovich123 5y ago

Lock down for a short time with a reopening vs prolonged ok and off lock downs might be different. Also, China data probably isn’t trustworthy on a topic like this, right?

jinguang 5y ago

codr7 5y ago

There are obvious cultural differences that needs to be taken into account. If all you know is being told what to do for generations it won't feel the same. I'm pretty sure that once we sum this up, the interventions will be proven to have caused WAY more damage than any virus ever could.

sanedigital 5y ago

Looking at China for numerical statistics of any sort is a fool’s errand. Nothing they report is accurate, especially with regards to COVID or the mental health of their populace.

nostrebored 5y ago

Frankly this reads like a take by someone who is never around kids. Kids need social interaction. I know multiple kids who have basically been checked out of society and told they’ll kill their family if they socialize. Lockdowns and covid hysteria have certainly contributed to this.

unityByFreedom 5y ago

I wouldn't trust such numbers from China. Their death rate has looked like this [1] [2] since April 2020. Coincidentally, that is when covid cases began to take off in the west. China stopped adding to their death toll after they revised their numbers upwards exactly 50% (1290/2579) [3]. [1] https://i.imgur.com/SnwqNsd.png https://i.imgur.com/SnwqNsd.png [2] https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/china https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/china [3] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/4/17/chinas-wuhan-revises-coronavirus-death-toll-up-by-50-percent https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/4/17/chinas-wuhan-revise...

CryptoPunk 5y ago

Per capita COVID deaths in the US were similar to those in the EU. This partisan left-wing reaction to this news, which is implicitly about absolving the massive violation of the entire population's civil and economic liberties of blame for the socioeconomic and non-COVID health deteriorations seen during the COVID era, is the real problem.