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A farmer owning a $250,000 tractor is a very different thing than a pilot owning a $250,000,000 aircraft. I would say that there is a much greater expectation t

by jxf 5y ago

A farmer owning a $250,000 tractor is a very different thing than a pilot owning a $250,000,000 aircraft. I would say that there is a much greater expectation that a farmer should be able to repair their own tractor, for example.

halpert 5y ago
The GP’s point was these are probably targeted towards very large industrial farms.
- vvanders 5y ago
  I would agree, if we're talking CUT/SCUT you're in the realm of something that is easily serviceable(and the market doesn't really do DRM/lock-out currently) however these are different scale machines that are much pricier(just a quick glance looks like higher end 8Rs can start at 600k).
sandworm101 5y ago
I havent met a farmer who owns his own working tractor at this scale. They are almost universally owned by the farmer's business entity. Any farmer operating as a sole propietor, and is in the market for a $500k tractor, needs legal advice asap. These are industrial machines, not household appliances. Wait, maybe Jeremy Clarkson bought that lambo tractor under his own name. But it is more likely that his production company owns it.
- chii 5y ago
  irrelevant who the legal owning entity is. The fact is, a pilot did not purchase the plane with his own money, and is working for a giant corporation that can negotiate a contract with another giant corporation. A farmer, esp. a small scale private farmer, is not in the same position to negotiate a favourable contract as American Airlines would to Boeing.
  - petre 5y ago
    The aircraft operator could be leasing the aircraft as well, in which case the lessor (typically a giant financial org) has a contract with the aircraft manufacturer. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_lease https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_lease
  - pksebben 5y ago
    this is not a piece of equipment suited to a small scale private farmer, though. this machine is for someone to whom acreage represents a block on a spreadsheet.
    - syedkarim 5y ago
      This statement is not accurate. Everyone summer I visit my friend's farm in central Illinois. Three people are responsible for farming 1000 acres. I've seen tractors and combines that are the size and cost of the 8R in the shed. This is a very normal and common family farm (though incorporated). Many of the farms in the area are this size and operated by private farmers.
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- bryanlarsen 5y ago
  If the family owns a corporation that owns a tractor, the family owns the tractor.
  - ozfive 5y ago
    Isn't this where corporations are considered people comes in?
- jxf 5y ago
  I'm assuming that you don't know many farmers, then. It's not universal, but it's very common that farmers are self-incorporated businesses and that those businesses own the tractors. (In fact, this is usually a wise move given how many farming expenses are favorably subsidized by the US tax code.)
trembonator 5y ago

by jxf 5y ago

halpert 5y ago

The GP’s point was these are probably targeted towards very large industrial farms.

vvanders 5y ago
I would agree, if we're talking CUT/SCUT you're in the realm of something that is easily serviceable(and the market doesn't really do DRM/lock-out currently) however these are different scale machines that are much pricier(just a quick glance looks like higher end 8Rs can start at 600k).

sandworm101 5y ago

I havent met a farmer who owns his own working tractor at this scale. They are almost universally owned by the farmer's business entity. Any farmer operating as a sole propietor, and is in the market for a $500k tractor, needs legal advice asap. These are industrial machines, not household appliances. Wait, maybe Jeremy Clarkson bought that lambo tractor under his own name. But it is more likely that his production company owns it.

chii 5y ago
irrelevant who the legal owning entity is. The fact is, a pilot did not purchase the plane with his own money, and is working for a giant corporation that can negotiate a contract with another giant corporation. A farmer, esp. a small scale private farmer, is not in the same position to negotiate a favourable contract as American Airlines would to Boeing.
- petre 5y ago
  The aircraft operator could be leasing the aircraft as well, in which case the lessor (typically a giant financial org) has a contract with the aircraft manufacturer. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_lease https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_lease
- pksebben 5y ago
  this is not a piece of equipment suited to a small scale private farmer, though. this machine is for someone to whom acreage represents a block on a spreadsheet.
  - syedkarim 5y ago
    This statement is not accurate. Everyone summer I visit my friend's farm in central Illinois. Three people are responsible for farming 1000 acres. I've seen tractors and combines that are the size and cost of the 8R in the shed. This is a very normal and common family farm (though incorporated). Many of the farms in the area are this size and operated by private farmers.
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bryanlarsen 5y ago
If the family owns a corporation that owns a tractor, the family owns the tractor.
- ozfive 5y ago
  Isn't this where corporations are considered people comes in?
jxf 5y ago
I'm assuming that you don't know many farmers, then. It's not universal, but it's very common that farmers are self-incorporated businesses and that those businesses own the tractors. (In fact, this is usually a wise move given how many farming expenses are favorably subsidized by the US tax code.)

trembonator 5y ago