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I just got it along with family (both vaxxed and unvaxxed, there was no noticeable difference in symptoms). It was somewhere between a 'common cold' and the flu

I just got it along with family (both vaxxed and unvaxxed, there was no noticeable difference in symptoms). It was somewhere between a 'common cold' and the flu. Not fun, but definitely not something to panic about (understandably everyone will have a different reaction depending on their current state of health). However, I think we've reached the point of diminishing returns on any sort of intervention (they've all failed). Masking is ineffective, lockdowns and social-distancing are ineffective, and the vaccines are ineffective (at least w.r.t. to preventing transmission). We can continue to tear society apart aiming for a 0% safe zero-covid society (which we will never achieve), or get on with our lives and live with the risk.

spookthesunset 5y ago
It’s a shame this is downvoted because you are completely right. Covid ain’t going anywhere. Society needs to move on.
rhinoceraptor 5y ago
All the interventions we've done have been too-little, too-late. Telling people they're safe with a cloth mask when the virus transmits via airborne respiratory particles is obviously insane. We should have used war time powers to mass produce N95s and rapid tests, and mailed them to everyone with instructions on fit-testing.
unyttigfjelltol 5y ago
>vaccines are ineffective (at least w.r.t. to preventing transmission). From where I sit, anecdotally, vaccines have been highly effective. The messaging around them is weak. The choice and recentness of vaccines and boosters is having a big impact on severity of infection, and there's a world of difference between an asymptomatic never-tested-positive exposure and a 3-day flu. The CDC has a problem in their marketing department that has generated so much confusion.
oezi 5y ago
Most of what you say is just plain wrong. - Masking is highly effective and just a bit inconvenient. - Lockdowns are extremely effective just very expensive. - Vaccines are very effective even against transmission. - Nobody is aiming for 0 Covid anymore (except some Australians and China I guess), but getting through the winter wave without too many fellow citizens dead should be something we spend some effort on. Covid isn't tearing societies apart if everybody just has a bit of compassion and does the right thing (get vaxxed, masks, reduce in-person meetings).
- nojs 5y ago
  > except for some Australians Australia has more new daily cases per capita than US right now, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
  - timcederman 5y ago
    Take a look at Western Australia
  - oezi 5y ago
    My point was: Australia is the only non-asian country from which I still have heard voices of aiming for a ZeroCovid strategy. Everybody else has given that up (for now).
- jeromegv 5y ago
  Reducing in person meetings isn’t enough for omicron. This is about closing schools. Should we keep schools closed for 5 year? How long? For vaccinated folks omicron is very manageable.
  - oezi 5y ago
    It isn't manageable if health care systems are overloaded in a winter wave, that is why every small bit to reduce spread currently helps. Nobody is arguing about the next 5 years, it is the first winter after we started a very successful vaccination campaign. Without Omicron, Covid would already be mostly over. Also total school closures could be prevented if we adopt more nuanced methods (such as alternating days of attendance, air filtration, etc.)
- happyopossum 5y ago
  > - Masking is highly effective and just a bit inconvenient. - Lockdowns are extremely effective just very expensive. - Vaccines are very effective even against transmission. None of those appear to be true for Omicron, and we’re only sorta/kinda true for Delta. Vaccinated people are getting and spreading it at rates that are really quite shocking, and even pro-mask drs and scientists are admitting that cloth masks don’t seem to do much now…

spookthesunset 5y ago

It’s a shame this is downvoted because you are completely right. Covid ain’t going anywhere. Society needs to move on.

rhinoceraptor 5y ago

All the interventions we've done have been too-little, too-late. Telling people they're safe with a cloth mask when the virus transmits via airborne respiratory particles is obviously insane. We should have used war time powers to mass produce N95s and rapid tests, and mailed them to everyone with instructions on fit-testing.

unyttigfjelltol 5y ago

>vaccines are ineffective (at least w.r.t. to preventing transmission). From where I sit, anecdotally, vaccines have been highly effective. The messaging around them is weak. The choice and recentness of vaccines and boosters is having a big impact on severity of infection, and there's a world of difference between an asymptomatic never-tested-positive exposure and a 3-day flu. The CDC has a problem in their marketing department that has generated so much confusion.

oezi 5y ago

Most of what you say is just plain wrong. - Masking is highly effective and just a bit inconvenient. - Lockdowns are extremely effective just very expensive. - Vaccines are very effective even against transmission. - Nobody is aiming for 0 Covid anymore (except some Australians and China I guess), but getting through the winter wave without too many fellow citizens dead should be something we spend some effort on. Covid isn't tearing societies apart if everybody just has a bit of compassion and does the right thing (get vaxxed, masks, reduce in-person meetings).

nojs 5y ago
> except for some Australians Australia has more new daily cases per capita than US right now, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
- timcederman 5y ago
  Take a look at Western Australia
- oezi 5y ago
  My point was: Australia is the only non-asian country from which I still have heard voices of aiming for a ZeroCovid strategy. Everybody else has given that up (for now).
jeromegv 5y ago
Reducing in person meetings isn’t enough for omicron. This is about closing schools. Should we keep schools closed for 5 year? How long? For vaccinated folks omicron is very manageable.
- oezi 5y ago
  It isn't manageable if health care systems are overloaded in a winter wave, that is why every small bit to reduce spread currently helps. Nobody is arguing about the next 5 years, it is the first winter after we started a very successful vaccination campaign. Without Omicron, Covid would already be mostly over. Also total school closures could be prevented if we adopt more nuanced methods (such as alternating days of attendance, air filtration, etc.)
happyopossum 5y ago
> - Masking is highly effective and just a bit inconvenient. - Lockdowns are extremely effective just very expensive. - Vaccines are very effective even against transmission. None of those appear to be true for Omicron, and we’re only sorta/kinda true for Delta. Vaccinated people are getting and spreading it at rates that are really quite shocking, and even pro-mask drs and scientists are admitting that cloth masks don’t seem to do much now…