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> I suppose that's a reflection of the state of the IRC ecosystem, which is stagnant and slowly dying. I see it as mature rather than stagnant. I like my clien

> I suppose that's a reflection of the state of the IRC ecosystem, which is stagnant and slowly dying. I see it as mature rather than stagnant. I like my client to remain mostly the same over years so it doesn't disrupt me every time a developer changes something. > Users expect seamless multi device sync, for one. You can achieve a poor facsimile of this with a bnc and a shell account but it's not a great experience. Ergo (an IRC server) has it built-in: https://github.com/ergochat/ergo/blob/master/docs/USERGUIDE.md#always-on https://github.com/ergochat/ergo/blob/master/docs/USERGUIDE....

na85 5y ago
Awesome. Are any networks running ergo in production? My experience has been that most IRCops are very much of the change-averse nature.
- progval 5y ago
  There is the flagship ergo.chat network, and a bunch of small networks. A total of 118 networks according to https://www.ircstats.org/servers https://www.ircstats.org/servers (based on scanning the IPv4 address space on ports 6667 and 6697. Note that, despite being a census of servers, Ergo can't federated, so 1 server = 1 network for Ergo) > My experience has been that most IRCops are very much of the change-averse nature. True. Ergo in particular changes the IRC paradigm, so some old-timers don't like it very much. As far as I know, Ergo deployments are all brand-new networks
  - tw04 5y ago
    > Ergo can't federated, so 1 server = 1 network for Ergo) I guess I qualify as an old timer even though I’m not that old then. If you can’t federate servers I don’t think it should be called IRC. It might be using the same protocol, but it’s something else.
    - progval 5y ago
      Why? It doesn't make any difference for users. These days, IRC federation is only used to scale horizontally, and sadly, IRC networks doesn't need to scale over 100k concurrent users anymore.
      - tw04 5y ago
        Part of what made irc, irc is that it was decentralized. A single server breaks the entire premise of IRC. EFNet literally could not exist if it weren’t decentralized.

na85 5y ago

Awesome. Are any networks running ergo in production? My experience has been that most IRCops are very much of the change-averse nature.

progval 5y ago
There is the flagship ergo.chat network, and a bunch of small networks. A total of 118 networks according to https://www.ircstats.org/servers https://www.ircstats.org/servers (based on scanning the IPv4 address space on ports 6667 and 6697. Note that, despite being a census of servers, Ergo can't federated, so 1 server = 1 network for Ergo) > My experience has been that most IRCops are very much of the change-averse nature. True. Ergo in particular changes the IRC paradigm, so some old-timers don't like it very much. As far as I know, Ergo deployments are all brand-new networks
- tw04 5y ago
  > Ergo can't federated, so 1 server = 1 network for Ergo) I guess I qualify as an old timer even though I’m not that old then. If you can’t federate servers I don’t think it should be called IRC. It might be using the same protocol, but it’s something else.
  - progval 5y ago
    Why? It doesn't make any difference for users. These days, IRC federation is only used to scale horizontally, and sadly, IRC networks doesn't need to scale over 100k concurrent users anymore.
    - tw04 5y ago
      Part of what made irc, irc is that it was decentralized. A single server breaks the entire premise of IRC. EFNet literally could not exist if it weren’t decentralized.