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I’m an immigrant to the Netherlands and have lived here for more than 10 years. I don’t recollect ever experiencing racism. At the same time, I think there are

I’m an immigrant to the Netherlands and have lived here for more than 10 years. I don’t recollect ever experiencing racism. At the same time, I think there are demographics in this country that are more likely to abuse the system or display behavior that make one a little more suspicious of them in principle. That said, country profiling by the government, as much as it would probably be an effective dimension to detect fraud imo, shouldn’t be used by a government. The same way airport control shouldn’t profile people by appearance or any racial and gender characteristics.

Aeolun 5y ago
I think the problem is that it’s only effective in the short term to profile like that. If you already consider someone guilty before they do anything, there’s very little stopping them from actually doing the thing for real (at least, I would have few moral qualms).
iovrthoughtthis 5y ago
> At the same time, I think there are demographics in this country that are more likely to abuse the system or display behavior that make one a little more suspicious of them in principle. i want to gently point out, without implying intention, that this is, in it's self, a racist belief
- ndosnfiwjaijx 5y ago
- djbebs 5y ago
  It's also true. Split any number of people into any arbitrary groups and some of those groups will be higher than average and other lower than average. This has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with randomness.
  - pasabagi 5y ago
    > Split any number of people into any arbitrary groups and some of those groups will be higher than average and other lower than average. Wait, what? Surely they should all be (sans a bit of noise) the same? (Split 1000 random numbers into two groups. The sums should be almost equal).
    - unionpivo 5y ago
      no if you take big enough group it will average out. But random numbers can and do have "random distribution" which means some high some low, most somewhere in between. But that only works with large enough sample. With small sample size, randomness can look like not random.
- emteycz 5y ago
  How do you know they demographics they are talking about are defined by race?
psKama 5y ago
>At the same time, I think there are demographics in this country that are more likely to abuse the system or display behavior that make one a little more suspicious of them in principle. I have zero intention to engage in a useless discussion but I am startled to still see a comment like that. Yes, this is also exactly what they thought, and that's why they are called racist and got fined. You don't use statistical data to become more suspicious of individuals due to their race and discriminate against. How hard to understand this.

Aeolun 5y ago

I think the problem is that it’s only effective in the short term to profile like that. If you already consider someone guilty before they do anything, there’s very little stopping them from actually doing the thing for real (at least, I would have few moral qualms).

iovrthoughtthis 5y ago

ndosnfiwjaijx 5y ago
djbebs 5y ago
It's also true. Split any number of people into any arbitrary groups and some of those groups will be higher than average and other lower than average. This has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with randomness.
- pasabagi 5y ago
  > Split any number of people into any arbitrary groups and some of those groups will be higher than average and other lower than average. Wait, what? Surely they should all be (sans a bit of noise) the same? (Split 1000 random numbers into two groups. The sums should be almost equal).
  - unionpivo 5y ago
    no if you take big enough group it will average out. But random numbers can and do have "random distribution" which means some high some low, most somewhere in between. But that only works with large enough sample. With small sample size, randomness can look like not random.
emteycz 5y ago
How do you know they demographics they are talking about are defined by race?

psKama 5y ago

>At the same time, I think there are demographics in this country that are more likely to abuse the system or display behavior that make one a little more suspicious of them in principle. I have zero intention to engage in a useless discussion but I am startled to still see a comment like that. Yes, this is also exactly what they thought, and that's why they are called racist and got fined. You don't use statistical data to become more suspicious of individuals due to their race and discriminate against. How hard to understand this.