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the_af 5y ago
If the only capitalist in Argentina you know is Milei (far right, self-proclaimed "libertarian", worked under a known criminal of our military dictatorship) then you're out of touch. Really, consider how you're shifting the goalposts: you only consider far right libertarians as capitalists. The rest of the world disagrees with you. Anyway, I live in Argentina and you don't. You are wrong. > That is not capitalism. Call it something else. No. You must use definitions of capitalism compatible with the current consensus. Otherwise you're playing the same game you keep accusing leftists of, "that's not true capitalism, I mean something else!".
- germandiago 5y ago
  Far right is the label you put to degrade Milei. Milei is a libertarian. If that looks to you like "far right" it is your call. For me those are very different things. Apart from this comment: capitalism is free market and low regulations. By that measure, how capitalist is Argentina? As much as this in the economic freedom index, which could be considered an index of "how capitalist" a country is (position 148): https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking If this is capitalism... I do not know what consensus you talk about. Capitalism is low or no regulation and free market. Also, should favor low taxing. Otherwise you have social democracy. > Anyway, I live in Argentina and you don't. You are wrong. This is a fallacy of authority, as you can see by the economic freedom index I shared with you. Position 148 next to countries like Afghanistan, Ethiopia, Ecuador... even the communist Laos has a better score in economic freedom!!! I live in Vietnam, Laos is next to where I used to live in Hanoi. If that has more economic freedom than Argentina, Argentina cannot in any way be considered capitalist as such.
  - int_19h 5y ago
    Social democracy is capitalist. Capitalism is private ownership of the means of production. It has nothing to do with free markets and economic freedom in general, or with high taxes. The only prerequisite for a capitalist system is the ability to buy and sell capital without any limits - that's why it's called capitalism, not free-market-ism or whatever. Free markets predate capitalism.
  - the_af 5y ago
    > Far right is the label you put to degrade Milei. Milei is a libertarian. If that looks to you like "far right" it is your call. Well, he did work with a criminal from our past military dictatorship... > . Apart from this comment: capitalism is free market and low regulations. By that measure, how capitalist is Argentina? By that token there are no capitalist countries at all! A capitalist country with more regulations than you'd like is exactly that: a capitalist country. Argentina is not communist. You're embarrassing yourself. > I live in Vietnam I've seen you claim you live in all sorts of countries, but whatever. You are wrong. The only people who agree with your strict definition of "capitalism" are libertarians, a tiny minority. I guess all countries in the world -- the US included -- are communist to you. Good luck with that.
- germandiago 5y ago
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  - dang 5y ago
    Flamewar comments like this will get you banned here. If you'd please review the rules and stick to them, we'd apprecaite it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - betsydupuis 5y ago
      The entire have become a tirade that calls into question whether I was assaulted or not. The entire thread has hijacked with someone accusing me of still wanted to be with someone that tried to get me to kill myself and sexually assaulted me. The person waiting and flooded the comments days after to rank their posts higher, increases the likelihood that this is the tirade of someone accused of domestic violence by two sources. The thread's topic is completely changed by the flood of comments and I insist that it be removed entirely if you are not going to remove enough comments to reduce the thread hijack.
  - the_af 5y ago
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    - germandiago 5y ago
      > "Honest" is one way of putting it. "Far right libertarian" is another. In many ways, giving a public service without taking the wealth of others and giving up you assigned salary for the task could be seen as more socialist than what mamy socialists claim. That is why, as of today, I have respect for Milei: he tries to promote what he believes starting on not making the rest pay the bill. Things can change, sure. And politics can change people. I can change my mind. I talk about now and today. Respect for Mr. Milei. If there was a person like Milei in Spain, and not necessarily a libertarian, I would probably vote again. Now I simply cannot.
      - 5y ago

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If the only capitalist in Argentina you know is Milei (far right, self-proclaimed "libertarian", worked under a known criminal of our military dictatorship) then you're out of touch. Really, consider how you're shifting the goalposts: you only consider far right libertarians as capitalists. The rest of the world disagrees with you. Anyway, I live in Argentina and you don't. You are wrong. > That is not capitalism. Call it something else. No. You must use definitions of capitalism compatible with the current consensus. Otherwise you're playing the same game you keep accusing leftists of, "that's not true capitalism, I mean something else!".

germandiago 5y ago
Far right is the label you put to degrade Milei. Milei is a libertarian. If that looks to you like "far right" it is your call. For me those are very different things. Apart from this comment: capitalism is free market and low regulations. By that measure, how capitalist is Argentina? As much as this in the economic freedom index, which could be considered an index of "how capitalist" a country is (position 148): https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking If this is capitalism... I do not know what consensus you talk about. Capitalism is low or no regulation and free market. Also, should favor low taxing. Otherwise you have social democracy. > Anyway, I live in Argentina and you don't. You are wrong. This is a fallacy of authority, as you can see by the economic freedom index I shared with you. Position 148 next to countries like Afghanistan, Ethiopia, Ecuador... even the communist Laos has a better score in economic freedom!!! I live in Vietnam, Laos is next to where I used to live in Hanoi. If that has more economic freedom than Argentina, Argentina cannot in any way be considered capitalist as such.
- int_19h 5y ago
  Social democracy is capitalist. Capitalism is private ownership of the means of production. It has nothing to do with free markets and economic freedom in general, or with high taxes. The only prerequisite for a capitalist system is the ability to buy and sell capital without any limits - that's why it's called capitalism, not free-market-ism or whatever. Free markets predate capitalism.
- the_af 5y ago
  > Far right is the label you put to degrade Milei. Milei is a libertarian. If that looks to you like "far right" it is your call. Well, he did work with a criminal from our past military dictatorship... > . Apart from this comment: capitalism is free market and low regulations. By that measure, how capitalist is Argentina? By that token there are no capitalist countries at all! A capitalist country with more regulations than you'd like is exactly that: a capitalist country. Argentina is not communist. You're embarrassing yourself. > I live in Vietnam I've seen you claim you live in all sorts of countries, but whatever. You are wrong. The only people who agree with your strict definition of "capitalism" are libertarians, a tiny minority. I guess all countries in the world -- the US included -- are communist to you. Good luck with that.
germandiago 5y ago
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- dang 5y ago
  Flamewar comments like this will get you banned here. If you'd please review the rules and stick to them, we'd apprecaite it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - betsydupuis 5y ago
    The entire have become a tirade that calls into question whether I was assaulted or not. The entire thread has hijacked with someone accusing me of still wanted to be with someone that tried to get me to kill myself and sexually assaulted me. The person waiting and flooded the comments days after to rank their posts higher, increases the likelihood that this is the tirade of someone accused of domestic violence by two sources. The thread's topic is completely changed by the flood of comments and I insist that it be removed entirely if you are not going to remove enough comments to reduce the thread hijack.
- the_af 5y ago
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  - germandiago 5y ago
    > "Honest" is one way of putting it. "Far right libertarian" is another. In many ways, giving a public service without taking the wealth of others and giving up you assigned salary for the task could be seen as more socialist than what mamy socialists claim. That is why, as of today, I have respect for Milei: he tries to promote what he believes starting on not making the rest pay the bill. Things can change, sure. And politics can change people. I can change my mind. I talk about now and today. Respect for Mr. Milei. If there was a person like Milei in Spain, and not necessarily a libertarian, I would probably vote again. Now I simply cannot.
    - 5y ago